Gee, I would think a company like Wells Fargo would want to promote these innovators to management positions.
How did they find out?
Installed applications can tell IT what software is installed on individual computers. IT usually doesn’t care unless something could harm the computer or network… or until some higher up with nothing better to do tells them to do a search for someone like this.
I’m in IT and even I use a mouse jiggle app just so Teams doesn’t show I’m away constantly. Even when I am working on another program, Teams can show the away status which annoys me.
Not everybody who uses it does it to goof off. Micro-managing is so stupid. There are other ways of knowing your employee is doing work.
I just set my teams to busy all the time. If someone wants to talk to me they can.
I always use the browser versions (partly because I don’t like installing things, and partly because I run Linux), so it pretty much always shows me away. And I don’t care.
I’m also in IT and also using a jiggler… lol. My jiggler shows up as a mouse in device manager. So that’s why I ask the question. I switch my thunderbolt connection to another machine, so OS will just see a mouse disconnect/reconnect basically…
Unless they’re monitoring my screen and seeing the mouse go one pixel up then down, I don’t know how they accomplished it. Maybe by monitoring at an OS level which applications are in focus and for how long? How many key presses/mouse clicks in a certain time period?
Teams will show you as away even if you are watching a security training video or reading a long email…or waiting for a bunch of dataflows to refresh. It’s a really bad way of calculating if someone is away.
Chat-gpt can you please follow my mouse around and then just keep doing that movement for a while until I move the mouse myself? Put my video from yesterday’s windows 11 recall at this time on so that any admin logging in right now can think that I’m actually working.
As a reminder, at work, an admin can login to your PC and watch a stupid mouse jiggler do its jiggling to catch you. Be smarter, work harder!
All you really need is a better mouse mover. Cradle for the mouse with a wheel under it with a pattern designed to make the mouse move around randomly.
Hardware solution is the way. Then they need much bigger software to detect it.
Yep hardware that’s not connected to your work device at all
But literally the admin can remote to your screen and watch the pointer jiggle if you’re using a jiggler lol.
I never mentioned a jiggler. I was talking about better devices that move the device at random. They can move the mouse all over the screen, but an observer might be able to see that it was not normal activity if they watched it for long.
Oh lord. Glad i don’t live in a country where that kind of intrusion and surveillance is legal.
When I worked there, they wouldn’t assign me tasks and then blamed me when nothing got done.
The way you phrased this could go either way: were you never taking on more work, no matter how obviously it needed to get done, just because you weren’t explicitly told to do that job? Because that would be a fair criticism in my estimation.
If you want me to make executive decisions then pay me like an executive.
executive decisions
3 Wood or 9 Iron?
I’ll trade you a coal and 2 brick.
I wish executives were that cool.
I’m not sure how fair it is. How would you know what work there is if there aren’t any tickets being assigned for example?
I guess it depends on the employer. I don’t do office work myself, but according to what I’ve heard from my wife about her jobs in banking adjacent fields, she has a few different queues of things to do that everyone takes from.
were you never taking on more work, no matter how obviously it needed to get done
Bad management creates excess redundant and disorganized labor for the base worker.
If your boss is shitting this stuff out uncontrollably, perhaps that’s their problem more than yours.
Either way, sacking all those people won’t get the work done any faster.
the reality is that incompetent managers love to blame their employees for not doing shit they never told them to do.
Once had a manager repeatedly tell me I needed to “manage my time better” when I told them I didn’t have enough time in the day to get all my tasks done. So I logged my time one day (9-11 worked on task A, 11-1230 worked on task B, etc.) and went to my manager to show them. “This is how long I am spending on each task, can you tell me which ones I am spending too long on and how I can be more efficient?” Manager told me to give them the log and they’ll get back to me.
They never did get back to me, but they did end up reassigning my duties to other people who were also not given enough time to complete them.
Getting blamed for their incompetence was the task.
Please
Did you try just staring at the screen and jiggling the mouse? This appears to be their only way of measuring productivity.
Ya really gotta click occasionally and maybe type a few things.
Same actually
maybe stop tracking people’s minute movements you fucking absolute creeps
Wells Fargo must think this is some sort of flex.
I think this is propaganda so other companies can say, “wells Fargo had an issue with this so we are going to start cracking down too”. Then they can lay off a bunch of people and not have to give severance.
They fired 12 employees of a workforce numbering over 216,000. Looks like they fired 1000x more employees (literally…12000) last year just because “that’s business.” What a nothingburger.
Management: we need to find ways to automate work using AI
The ai would also use mouse jigglers after a few Werks, its the work evvironment
why though? Were they not getting enough done? And if its only like a dozen, does it justify the productiviry loss of hiring keyboard police?
To entrench back to office sentiment
Joke’s on them, I can slack off just as hard in an office as I can at home
Were they not getting enough done?
If not then fire them for that. Seems like a better metric that’s more related to how well they do their job than “how much has your mouse moved?”
How much the mouse moved is explicitly, pointedly NOT the metric they were fired for.
The reason is in the headline.
How much work they were getting done is explicitly, pointedly NOT the metric they were fired for.
Why would a mouse jiggler be effective for any reason unless it was a metric being measured?
Not defending them. But ill take their position for a second. I give x amount of work and expect you to finish it. And you do. But if that work takes you 2 hours and the rest of the day you do nothing it just means I can give you more work because 2 hours is just abysmal. So I wanna know about it.
Right, but if you’re paying x for y amount of work, then once y is complete and you expect y to increase, does x increase as well?
So is my work measured by how much I move the mouse? In my job if I used an automatic mouse jiggler it would have zero effect on my employment, because I’m not being employed to move my mouse, I’m being employed to do productive work.
It’s insane that such a program was useful. If your boss doesn’t know the difference between you working or not, and only knows how much your mouse moves, that is a shit boss who is terrible at their job.
Having worked in the financial industry for many years, I’m betting this has more to do with security than performance. Timeout before your screen locks is ridiculously short - you could be reading something, therefore not moving your mouse, then your screen locks, and you have to put in your password to unlock it. Then there’s the nature of call center work, if you’re not super busy, you might have a few minutes between calls, but when one comes in, you have to be immediately ready for it, not sitting there typing an overly complex password while an impatient customer is trying to give you all their information right away before you can take it down … so I totally get the usefulness of a mouse jiggler. I wrote my own in Java way back when- actually it didn’t jiggle the mouse, it was simpler to simulate a benign keypress, but same effect. I wrote it myself because I couldn’t download one, any reputable site that I might get one from was blocked- but who knows, if I hadn’t had the knowledge to write it, I might have been more motivated to find one, any one, any way, and that of course is a big nono- that’s how keyloggers and shit like that end up compromising systems and leaking millions of passwords and/or credit card numbers… So I get why the company is concerned, even though I don’t care.
They don’t care about productivity. They care about the appearance of control, and the revelation of subversive activity is a gross embarassment to the ego that thrives on that control.
It’s a bully having a tantrum because his victims don’t fear him enough.
Exactly what I keep saying. Do they get the job done? Yes or No? Very simple question in my opinion.
Some people are paid on the basis of time, not accomplishment.
There is a device on Aliexpress that mimics the mouse usage
That’s what a mouse Jiggler is.
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“More than a dozen employees” for Wells Fargo is basically no one.
Poor Wells Fargo. Maybe they should sign a bunch of customers up to loans they didn’t ask for about it to feel better.
Turns out the employees didn’t actually do that. It was the mouse jigglers and clickers conspiring together.
After that fiasco I can’t believe anyone still uses Wells Fargo.
I’ve never used Wells Fargo, but I never heard about this fiasco you guys are talking about.
Banks like to think that branch employees (bank tellers) are sales people. Most of them give ‘goals’ to each employee requiring them to open a certain number of new accounts, land a certain number of loans, etc each week/month. It isn’t ethical since the only people you can really sell on those services are the ones who should least get them. Anyone who actually wants/needs the services will come to you.
Wells Fargo differed from the rest of the industry by setting completely impossible goals, not just unethical ones. This led to them developing a culture where signing people up for services they didn’t agree to became commonplace.
It isn’t ethical since the only people you can really sell on those services are the ones who should least get them.
Yes, all sales is essentially unethical unless all you do is provide info when asked.
Funnily enough an accounting teacher I had used Wells Fargo
After that crime spree I can’t believe Wells Fargo is still allowed to exist.
You don’t have a choice where your loan ends up plus there are all the corporate contracts that aren’t going to change. They were stealing money from the elderly not businesses.
I have a company I deal with at work where the owner of that one cussed out and hung up the phone on the CEO of where I work. We still do business with them because it’s way too much money to walk away from.
There’s a hallmark/lifetime movie about this. The bank isn’t WF but we all know who it is.
After his corporate rah-rah and disbelief his bank full of good ethical people would do such a thing, at the behest of the main character he finds out from some marketing chuds it is in fact true. Believing in the company to do the right thing he goes against the main character’s wishes and tells an exec who expectedly closes the accts of the vocal customers and sweeps it all under the rug - deleting all record.
The love interest finds out his company doesn’t actually care about their customers when he asks if they are going to do a full company investigation and the exec laughs and instead offers up a potential promotion instead.
I knew the whole plotline was bullshit when he quit to become a whistleblower. As he gave his first interview on the main character’s tv station, he gave his full name as he did a live interview and didn’t get murdered by the bank immediately.
Thanks to Boeing we all learned that whistleblower is a far more dangerous profession than police officer and the chance of dying is thousands of percent higher. You really have to suspend disbelief at the movie plot.
I’m trying to suspend my disbelief at you watching a hallmark movie and remembering it well enough to give a synopsis.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around suffering watching a Lifetime movie in purpose tbh… but yeah, their plots are unintentionally farcical every time.
e: suffering=someone but it still works so I’ll leave it
Lifetime movies are awesome because you can put them on in the background and they’re not at all distracting from the main task you’re working on.
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Friendly reminder that Wells Fargo is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a bank.
They’re the same picture.
That applies to all investment banks no? Or is Wells Fargo a special kind criminal?
No you’re right. It’s like Mitch Hedberg used to say about drinking though… Still does, but he used to too.
They are, but Wells Fargo too.
Wells Fargo specifically committed widespread, systemic fraud and identity theft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo_cross-selling_scandal?wprov=sfla1
What’s the best Jiggle Billy to use at work?
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Sooooo we jigglin?
Oh I ain’t dead, I’m just real depressed
I do this too. It’s called 'software development '.
