If he believed that he filled a 20,000 capacity venue with 100,000 people, hell believe that he has at least 1 fanatic in the jury.
Brilliant move by the juror. Getting crushed is just that much worse when you have some hope.
(although I highly doubt this was a calculation by the juror and more Trump reading into something that was never there)
I’m not even slightly surprised that Trump doesn’t know how jury trials work.
He’s most likely referring to Juror #2 who, iirc, is a man who follows Trump on Truth Social and also watches Fox ‘News’.
At this point, I would love again like to publicly apologize to Juror #2 for the aspersions I cast on his character during the trial. I’m sorry, dude; you looked at the evidence and went where it led you.
I wonder if others on the jury helped them see the light. Or maybe the nodding and smiling was sarcasm, or even intentionally trolling Trump. Fun to think about.
The thing is, you can sometimes get through to these Trump supporters if you can deprogram them from their echo-chamber… That requires very long conversations, an expose of facts, dismantling of their fallacies, and keeping them away from right-wing propaganda and peer pressure for an extended period of time.
… Which just so happens to be what jurors go through.
That’s a nice wholesome take. Reminds me of this man:
Six weeks is all it would take to undo years of brainwashing from every direction? I doubt it.
Six weeks in a different environment is a long time. Talk to people about their first six weeks on a new job; or at boot camp; or even summer camp.
It could very well be a case of “Never meet your childhood heroes”. Trump probably acted like a spoiled brat and the juror saw it first hand.
Trump did; it’s a matter of public record. He violated court instructions about blabbing to the media ten times, and was held in contempt by the judge twice.
He repeatedly make false and misleading statements about the trial, the judge, the witnesses, and even the jury on social media and to the press in the entrance hall of the court building itself. The idiot just couldn’t stop himself.
Had he been a regular citizen instead of a former president, he would have almost certainly done jail time just for his behavior during the trial.
My understanding is that juries in America dont really deliberate on a verdict or a sentence. Thats up to the judge.
Instead, I believe they’re presented with all the facts and arguments, then determine based on that information whether or not the the prosecution’s claims hold up.
So its more of a “based on the facts you have been presented with, do you think the defendant did X”, rather than “should the defendant be punished for this crime?”
Most Trump supporters understand that he’s a criminal, but believe that his actions are in service of the greater good. So in a situation like this the distinction between “do the facts line up” and “should he be punished” is an important one.
I was on a jury in Texas in 2019 and we were tasked with both.
First part: Based on the facts you have been presented, do you think defendant did X?
If yes
Second part: You have determined that defendant did X. Now determine the punishment
That second part was by far the more difficult of the two
The judge gets to decide the sentence here.
The judge that Trump has insulted & threatened for the past 7 weeks.
Well, education in general… Which is why they are so absolutely desperate to dismantle our education system.
I honestly don’t think lawmakers put that level of thought into dismantling education. Votes are the only goal here.
Somewhere along the line, it was Limbaugh for me, conservatives noticed that educated people tend to vote liberal. Well hell, how do we explain this?!
The pundits launched a full-frontal attack on education and those “ivory tower liberals”. Who the fuck are these people to tell me how to think when I got the Bible and my gut feelings?!
I watched this unfold. No one talked down on education in the 70s and 80s, nothing like the conservatives do now anyway. Then… Remember Rick Santorum baggin’ on Obama for having 2 degrees? While Santorum had 3. FFS, Obama taught Constitutional law at Harvard and the GOP acted like that made him less able to judge Constitutional matters.
Now “education bad” gets votes, that easy. I don’t think there was a real plan. As always, the GOP rolls with what works emotionally. (While the Democrats think they can win on logical arguments.)
If that’s what actually happened, I wonder if those things stick when he re-enters civilian life to go back to having Fox News blaring 24/7.
Dollars to donuts, that guy got un-brainwashed during the trial & isn’t voting for Trump now.
Which is actually pretty hopeful. Once the dude got out of a media ecosystem telling him what to think and feel, and he was presented with the facts in an irrefutable way, he did what was right.
Right-wing media is all about creating an information bubble keeping inconvenient truths out.
“no one is the villain of their own story.”
I strongly believe that the majority of Trump supporters (maybe not the supremely rabid ones) truly believe that they’re doing the right thing based on the propaganda they’re exposed to.
I live in a rather red area of my state and while I definitely know racists and selfish assholes (this is NY so they’re everywhere) most of the Republicans i know are generally good people that are just submerged in a propaganda ecosystem. Hell one of my coworkers is absolutely a way better person than I am: volunteering and giving to charity, giving a lot of their time to others, but they’re also a die hard Republican.
If anyone checks my history I say this a thousand times: I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS they are a cancer on society…
Amazing, when you sit people down and force them to think, they tend to come to their senses.
God if that’s all it takes… Stick each of these fuckers in a tiny room with 11 of their peers and FORCE them to listen to nothing but cold hard facts for hours a day, for weeks, and then discuss them in person until they can all unanimously agree on our collective reality…
Maybe it’s doable? God, I hate the idea of “re-education,” it has such an icky, authoritarian connotation. But it’s literally what these people need. Except in this case it isn’t about inundating them with propaganda, it’s literally just reality and irrefutable facts.
It’s all about group membership.
If the people on the jury started to see themselves as a coherent group, then they can change minds and reach consensus. People listen to other people in their in group way more.
If you try to talk to a maga person, and they see you as a Outsider, you’re going to have a very difficult time getting them to listen to anything you say.
We all do this to some extent.
It’s just really bad currently that the maga people will look to their group for consensus reality, and they have mostly bad ideas.
I don’t know how to dismantle that group.
We don’t have nearly enough sane people to do that for everyone in his cult.
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