Thanks for the answer. Although, I still don’t really get it.
I’ve heard that the kink community has a rule that people shouldn’t expose their fetishes to non-consenting strangers. Why on pride parades then? Isn’t engaging in these sort of activities here kind of wrong, like how you can’t just go out nude or have sex in public?
I recommended this to someone else in the thread too, but I found Kat Blaque’s video really helpful as an explanation, because if you’re not familiar with the subculture the reasoning can be quite confusing.
It really depends on where you are and what sort of Pride event it is. If it’s a Pride march with lots of corporate sponsors, then you’ll see very little kink, maybe someone in full rubber, but probably no jockstraps. If it’s a ticketed gay village party, or a circuit party, you’ll definitely see some more risque kink gear being worn. If you’re at Folsom or in Berlin, there’s whole parades dedicated to kink, but even the straight public know about that, so if they don’t like it, they can avoid the area during those events.
And how do you feel about the marches or rather individuals in these marches that go to far? To be clear I’m not talking about the people who wear rubber suits.
Let me also ask you what you think about nude bike rides, where dozens, if not hundreds, of people cycle nude through a city. Is that too much for you?
What has a fire in a park got to do with what we’re discussing?
Nudity at Pride is rare, can happen, but it’s not exclusive to Pride. And also something that I think attitudes should change on. Nudity is not something that people should fear, nor should they be shamed if they are happy being nude.
The fire was started by individuals from a LGBTQ+ pride/racial injustice protest. I attended this march myself as well, it was primarily a racial injustice protest but a lot of individuals were wearing & celebrating pride stuff as well. The end result was many deciding to continue the protest at rec park, where then it was burned to the ground. My question is entirely centered around individuals that go to far, be it indecent exposure/genital nudity, or crimes in general.
Doesn’t nudity reinforce lookism, and gives disadvantage to the people with invisible bodily defects? Let alone that some people do not want to see nudes.
Where is the widespread problem of kink in the streets? I’ve never heard of a huge kink problem at pride events other than pearl clutching mothers who object to queer people in public in general.
Where are you seeing a large number of kinky people causing real problems in public?
My point is that you seem to be worried about an imaginary issue that, at worst, is something that is isolated to specific pride events that are geared towards adult sexual expression. Just because it makes you uncomfortable or you don’t consider it LGBTQ doesn’t mean it needs to be changed.
My personal opinion is that I don’t care about people displaying kinkwear within the bounds of the law, and I think it’s ok to bend the rules a little further than usual during a pride parade. I don’t think parades about sexual identity should cater to kids and families.
Unless you put a clear definition on “too far”, then that is my answer.
Here, I’ll make it more clear to you by defining what is not too far. In 2023 a bunch of nude cyclists were present during the public pride parade, while they were fully naked, half covered, etc. Their behavior is very clearly artistic expression and not inappropriate, as they were wearing body paint and commiting to other artistic representations of nudity no different from a body paint artist that are also very public in Seattle, nor were they engaging in inappropriate behavior or attempting to induce sexual arousal. In the same vein, wearing a rubber suit can also very much fall into the same category. Does that make it more clear?
The specific cases are those intentionally engaging in behavior that can’t be defined as artistic expression and can deeply harm the overall movement, such as the rare cases of inappropriate touching/unwanted touching. Imo, strict codes of conduct such as those used by Nudist organizations during their public events in other more lax countries should be used, not only to discourage the behavior but to also cover the ass of the events and movements when such cases do occur. The mentioned Seattle Pride Parade for example had no official code of conduct, luckily no such case occured during this particular event.
This is my personal opinion and it might not reflect the wider community’s. I’m not even giving a straight answer, just some points to think about ^^
First and foremost Pride isn’t a singular event. Some are more celebratory and family friendly. But imho it’s original purpose is a protest and protests aren’t subject to the same rules as other places and times. e.g. you don’t tend to shout in the street everyday.
Secondly this rule as an absolute doesn’t make a lot of sense. Even without critiquing the wider society’s rules a choker isn’t the same as a full puppy outfit. (and tbf I don’t see the issue with pups, it’s just dress up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
Lastly, I personally find that view kinda rooted in puritanism. Why should it be shameful in the first place? It kinda has “don’t ask don’t tell” vibes.
Lastly, how do you precisely define what’s a kink and what’s not?
Thanks for the answer. Although, I still don’t really get it.
I’ve heard that the kink community has a rule that people shouldn’t expose their fetishes to non-consenting strangers. Why on pride parades then? Isn’t engaging in these sort of activities here kind of wrong, like how you can’t just go out nude or have sex in public?
I recommended this to someone else in the thread too, but I found Kat Blaque’s video really helpful as an explanation, because if you’re not familiar with the subculture the reasoning can be quite confusing.
It really depends on where you are and what sort of Pride event it is. If it’s a Pride march with lots of corporate sponsors, then you’ll see very little kink, maybe someone in full rubber, but probably no jockstraps. If it’s a ticketed gay village party, or a circuit party, you’ll definitely see some more risque kink gear being worn. If you’re at Folsom or in Berlin, there’s whole parades dedicated to kink, but even the straight public know about that, so if they don’t like it, they can avoid the area during those events.
And how do you feel about the marches or rather individuals in these marches that go to far? To be clear I’m not talking about the people who wear rubber suits.
Define too far.
Let me also ask you what you think about nude bike rides, where dozens, if not hundreds, of people cycle nude through a city. Is that too much for you?
Having their genitalia out is too far. Butts and tits are not genitalia. what else is going too far is burning down a fucking Park.
What has a fire in a park got to do with what we’re discussing?
Nudity at Pride is rare, can happen, but it’s not exclusive to Pride. And also something that I think attitudes should change on. Nudity is not something that people should fear, nor should they be shamed if they are happy being nude.
The fire was started by individuals from a LGBTQ+ pride/racial injustice protest. I attended this march myself as well, it was primarily a racial injustice protest but a lot of individuals were wearing & celebrating pride stuff as well. The end result was many deciding to continue the protest at rec park, where then it was burned to the ground. My question is entirely centered around individuals that go to far, be it indecent exposure/genital nudity, or crimes in general.
Doesn’t nudity reinforce lookism, and gives disadvantage to the people with invisible bodily defects? Let alone that some people do not want to see nudes.
Where is the widespread problem of kink in the streets? I’ve never heard of a huge kink problem at pride events other than pearl clutching mothers who object to queer people in public in general.
I wouldn’t clarify the behavior of these individuals as “kink”… , I wouldn’t even clarify them as LGBTQ+ either.
Where are you seeing a large number of kinky people causing real problems in public?
My point is that you seem to be worried about an imaginary issue that, at worst, is something that is isolated to specific pride events that are geared towards adult sexual expression. Just because it makes you uncomfortable or you don’t consider it LGBTQ doesn’t mean it needs to be changed.
Again I’m not fucking saying it’s a common issue. Now you’re just misunderstanding what I’m saying in bad faith.
My personal opinion is that I don’t care about people displaying kinkwear within the bounds of the law, and I think it’s ok to bend the rules a little further than usual during a pride parade. I don’t think parades about sexual identity should cater to kids and families.
Unless you put a clear definition on “too far”, then that is my answer.
Here, I’ll make it more clear to you by defining what is not too far. In 2023 a bunch of nude cyclists were present during the public pride parade, while they were fully naked, half covered, etc. Their behavior is very clearly artistic expression and not inappropriate, as they were wearing body paint and commiting to other artistic representations of nudity no different from a body paint artist that are also very public in Seattle, nor were they engaging in inappropriate behavior or attempting to induce sexual arousal. In the same vein, wearing a rubber suit can also very much fall into the same category. Does that make it more clear?
The specific cases are those intentionally engaging in behavior that can’t be defined as artistic expression and can deeply harm the overall movement, such as the rare cases of inappropriate touching/unwanted touching. Imo, strict codes of conduct such as those used by Nudist organizations during their public events in other more lax countries should be used, not only to discourage the behavior but to also cover the ass of the events and movements when such cases do occur. The mentioned Seattle Pride Parade for example had no official code of conduct, luckily no such case occured during this particular event.
This is my personal opinion and it might not reflect the wider community’s. I’m not even giving a straight answer, just some points to think about ^^
First and foremost Pride isn’t a singular event. Some are more celebratory and family friendly. But imho it’s original purpose is a protest and protests aren’t subject to the same rules as other places and times. e.g. you don’t tend to shout in the street everyday.
Secondly this rule as an absolute doesn’t make a lot of sense. Even without critiquing the wider society’s rules a choker isn’t the same as a full puppy outfit. (and tbf I don’t see the issue with pups, it’s just dress up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
Lastly, I personally find that view kinda rooted in puritanism. Why should it be shameful in the first place? It kinda has “don’t ask don’t tell” vibes.
Lastly, how do you precisely define what’s a kink and what’s not?