Fuck the draft. Dodge the draft.
Frag your CO before they even ship you out.
Apparently if you have “bone spurs” it’s enough to get you out, just don’t forget what foot you said you had them in.
If you can dodge a draft, you can dodge a ball
I’m for this. Don’t vote for war mongers when you or your kids or grandkids could be drafted for war.
Unfortunately there are no non-warmonger candidates in r or d and voting third party is a vote for trump so I guess we’re all fucked amiright
Registration is already required,and has been for decades. This only automates the thing so people aren’t breaking the law. Super simple stuff.
So I’m not sure what your point is?
This will help bring down Inflation!
I might catch hate for this but I never understood why it wasn’t automatic the entire time since it’s illegal to not register.
Because there has not been a draft since the 70s, where automatic registration was not feasible.
Yes, but failure to register was a felony.
Just say you have bone spurs
Pretty sure that doesn’t get you out of the registration, only actually serving. I think Trump was registered and said the bone spur thing later
Yeah — seems like they just want to test people
Easy way to funnel the lazy into prison labor?
That never happened
Not any more at least. Prior to this bill, failing to register for Selective Services was a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to five years and/or a fine of not more than $250,000.
Now you’re automatically enrolled. I think it’s actually better this way.
Eh, military service now is 8 years right? I’d take jail and file bankruptcy. At least you’ll be alive instead of cannon fodder, and it’s 3 years less.
At least you’ll be alive instead of cannon fodder
I don’t think the military is dying at a noticeable rate, especially as “cannon fodder.” A quick Google says deaths by hostile action hasn’t broken the triple digits annually over the last decade. I also didn’t really look at the other deaths, so feel free to dive into that side.
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner
This is about the draft. We haven’t drafted in forever either, but you can bet if they draft it’s because cannon fodder is needed.
We haven’t drafted in 50 years. That’s nothing
We were always forced to register. The fine and imprisonment were penalties for avoiding registration. You’d be registered at the hearing as well as facing consequences.
It was not automatic so rich people can avoid it. I have never heard of someone facing criminal charges for failing to register. I have heard that failing to register can impact eligibility for college financial aid and scholarships.
I have heard that failing to register can impact eligibility for college financial aid and scholarships.
And this is why I hate the fucking neoliberals so much. As bad as the conservatives are they don’t expect me to agree with them, they just want my money. Neoliberalism demands that you not only pay a shit ton of money for student loan debt that you also internalize that you deserve to because you were privileged. They have developed economic original sin
It should be automatic, and it is now. Why did I have to worry about it 40-years ago? Now? Now worries, done deal. Nothing has changed.
Of course lemmy thinks that serving means you’re on the front lines as a grunt with an M4.
Might as well be. Giving a gun to a murderer is as bad as pulling the trigger, and that’s what supply officers do. Mechanics fix killing machines. Cooks feed killers while they’re off killing. The military is a machine, and every cog in that machine is a murderer.
Technically, the USA already required you to sign up for the draft right around the time you received your Social Security Card. The draft has not been used since 1973 and earlier. So this basically has no effect. Even if a draft happened all the same people who would have been drafted before will be drafted now.
The draft has not been used since 1973 and earlier
One thing I found as I’ve gotten older is that history gets shorter and shorter the older you get.
1973 was so recent bro you have no idea. It was within one human lifetime. That’s really close. That basically just happened.
I don’t really get what point you’re trying to make.
They’re saying “I’M OLD AND TIME’S MOVING FAST SONNY BOY”
I don’t even think he’s over 69 I think he just wants to say the Draft is some impending doom we should be worried about, but at this point if a draft occurs it will probably be for something pretty important.
If it’s important draft everyone then. Not just the men
Your sense of time is too short is what’s being said.
You’re required to sign up within 30 days of your 18th birthday. You should have (well your parents anyway) a social security card within the first year of your life, strange outliers aside.
It’s still technically a crime knowingly not registering, with a $250k fine, even if it hasn’t been prosecuted in decades.
It also bars you from federal government jobs, many federal programs, and grants. Until 2020, it also barred any federal financial aid for education, but that’s changed now.
You should have a Social Security Number when you are born as a citizen of the USA. You register for your card when you turn 18.
I’ve definitely had my social security card since I was like, 12. Before that, my mom had it. Definitely, 100% did not get it at or around 18
Your parents received your ss card after you were born once your SSN was assigned.
You register for the draft when you register to vote.
American men are supposed to sign up for the draft when they turn 18, this new bill would make that an automatic process.
I think it’s called selective service
Yes, it’s called the selective service, but it’s colloquially known as draft and that’s what above was referencing
I like how you got downvoted for rehashing 16bit when all they did was repeat exactly the same thing me and the article headline said and still got upvotes.
Trading bodily autonomy for voting isn’t right, especially when half the country is not only exempt but fights any attempt to make it more equal.
Defending only yourself isn’t right, especially when you want all the benefits with none of the costs.
Men are the only ones paying this cost in the US
If I am ever drafted (Unlikely due to my shoulder, colorblindness, various mental health things) I will just start saying “I’m going to tell the enemy where my group is and sabotage equipment. I am a liability, you don’t want me there. If you put me with radio, I will shoot that radio. If you put me in cooking, I will spill the beans. If you give me a gun, it’s not going to be used at the enemy.”
Will I? Probably not. But talk is cheap and I don’t think a military group wants someone who publicly stated “I will commit treason and aid the enemy.”
You could just dress up in women’s clothes.
Didn’t really work for Corporal Klinger.
It’s better to just tell them you’re suicidal. Not only will they take away any weapons from you, they will usher you out faster than you can blink.
Unless you’re already in, in which case they’ll put you on a mental health hold for a year or two, in the worst possible conditions, before kicking you out on your ass.
Good way to end up in an internment camp under suspicion of sedition.
Better than shooting someone in cold blood because “murder is valid because we said it was war time.” I’d rather be in jail than a murderer, I don’t need to add PTSD when my brain is already fucked up.
You’re not wrong.
You could just be a conscientious objector…
Because the military has shown how fond of them they are even when they are truly heroes aka Desmond Doss’ story…
It sounds like you really don’t want the military to be fond of you anyway. Conscientious objector would be the legal route to ensure you did not go to war.
With the “it’s complicated” tag. Not necessarily, there are levels of conscientious objector. It is possible to drafted into a non combat role depending on how you are classified.
I am, and they wouldn’t care in a draft. I’m a suicidal weirdo who refuses to harm anyone, I barely have the will power to harm myself, let alone others stuck in similar situations.
I just will say anything to get out of service of a war.
I just will say anything to get out of service of a war.
Apart from “I’m a conscientious objector” apparently. You have that right.
I’m going to say it. I was trying to be funny on the internet. I apologize.
There is always Leavenworth
So people can be automatically registered for the draft, but not automatically registered to vote? Seems like bullshit.
You didn’t think the government would actually do something for you, did you?
For one, I think this was already required. I remember having to enroll in selective service.
For two though, whoever calls another draft is dead in the water. It’s commonly accepted that starting an actual draft is political suicide.
That said, it would be nice if we could codify that and ban the draft.
Anything that actually required a draft would result in a nuclear exchange before the draft could be called.
If there is a legitimate reason for a draft, a draft may not be necessary anyway. Unless the enemy is offering a peaceful arrangement to everyone they meet, or there’s no way to get your family to safety, I think most people would willingly fight.
You are required to sign up but they usually only can enforce it in ways such as applying for a driver’s license or voter registration. Maybe more kids aren’t applying for drivers licenses and therefore aren’t signing up.
I had to apply at the post office. I’m pretty sure there was a penalty if I didn’t, like a fine or jail
the federal student loans and grants would not be dispersed if you were not signed up by a certain date
That was apparently repealed in 2020.
Wish it would’ve happened sooner. There was some issue with my school’s financial aid office every freaking semester. A week before classes started, I would get a letter that all my financial aid was canceled for failing to register, and I’d have to go in and prove I had. After the 4th time, they finally took a photocopy of my registration and had me sign an affidavit and appended it to my file.
if you never sign up you’re excluded from a number of government jobs such as at the post office.
That would make sense, I never pay attention but it would make sense why so many applications ask about it
It’s bonkers that you have to actively sign up for it. Canada had conscription on the books as an available tool but like… you never actively signed on or were penalized for not doing that paperwork. In 2021 they ended all mandatory military service and two months ago they removed conscription entirely. Not that it’s possible for conscription to not come back as technically it’s not actively banned, but if it did it would have to be written and implemented as law entirely from scratch and be re subject to the full process of new constitutional challenge and could now be subject to gender discriminations to strictly men as required by current civil rights .
There’s something about coercing someone to sign their name to paper to register for conscription that feels wrong to me that just accepting a call to conscription doesn’t. Like they want to reduce your resistance to it by making it “voluntary”.
Many people don’t pay attention. My mother (63) didn’t know me or my brother were egistered when a conversation came up about it last year. Most people are so complacent in accepting every day life because they are worried about living day by day. The concept that a mother who is legally responsible for 2 kids didn’t know they both signed themselves to serve in the military at 16 is baffling from a stand back and look at it mentality. (Only two kids, both sign to give their life away while her and her husban(my father) are the only ones who legally could sign our lives away at that age.)
Yeah, honestly as long as we aren’t willing to change things in a meaningful way, this is somewhat nice. It’s like voter registration. It should be automatic (assuming it’s required anyway). Sadly we are more likely to make draft registration automatic before voter registration.
I wouldn’t put it past the Republican party to bring conscription to the table. Probably with all kinds of exceptions and loopholes to either keep their own kids out of it entirely or guarantee cush domestic desk jobs to show how patriotic they are. Everybody else gets to line up with a rifle.
And with extra psychological torture to the undesirables, and will be sold to their voting base as “antidote to the LGBTQ+ movement”.
It would be disastrous for Republicans. Independents and moderates would be furious
I never registered. I got my draft card while I was in boot camp in the '80s. Never filled it out.
It’s unlikely to be picked up by the Democrat-controlled Senate because of numerous amendments regarding abortion, diversity efforts, and transgender medical treatments.
That seems about right. Tired of bills having all this non related crap shoved into them.
Automatic registration would replace the coming-of-age tradition that all 18-year-old male U.S. citizens experience when they get a card in the mail from Uncle Sam informing them that they’re required under threat of criminal penalties to register for the Selective Service.
This ~2 decades ago for me but I have no recollection of this ever happening.
Idk about your state, but mine basically forces you to register for the selective services to even get a license/learner’s permit
§ 46.2-221.1. Registration with Selective Service required for issuance of learner’s permits, driver’s licenses, commercial driver’s licenses, and special identification cards to certain applicants.
A. Every male applicant for a learner’s permit, driver’s license, commercial driver’s license, special identification card, or renewal of any such permit, license, or card who is less than twenty-six years old and is either a citizen of the United States or an immigrant shall, at the time of his application, be registered in compliance with the requirement of section 3 of the Military Selective Service Act, 50 U.S.C. § 3801 et seq
I’m not male but I did register for the draft when I turned 18. I remember doing it on my taxes as weird as that sounds.
I wish they would institute another draft. Whatever party was behind it would be gone inside of the decade.
Now that everyone is fat and 4 👀👁️👀 eyes, those are not excuses. When I was 18 I was not even close to being fit to serve. I wear glasses and I wasn’t athletic.
So figure out the way guys! Trump had to take bone spurs! I’m sure you guys can come up with something! After all, how can you serve the Chinese overlords with war wounds right?
I mean they could take the Israel approach and exterminate us. Sorry too busy with my Ps7 Nintendo switcharoo. I think that if worse comes to worse I rather go than send my kids. I’ve had an okay life and my arthritis is starting to hurt. I think the Republicans are hard at work on preventing access to arthritis medication probably. So maybe I could just do my thing in China. Right? Defend our way of living. I want my kids to enjoy the freedoms I had. So I would fight for that now that I’m old and fucked up. Then the kids can join in later like the ruzzians did. They basically sent all their old men out to the meat grinder. Sounds bad. But if you got arthritis and you know people who had it, you would ask for the biggest grenade you could carry. I’d take that thing like a football right into a Chinese operations building or something. I mean, if they were evil and such according to the fear mongering politicians and if I indeed had my arthritis going uncontrolled. So far it’s just an elbow and a pinky.
What was the question again? Get off my lawn hooligans!
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You’re already legally required to manually register with the selective service if you are male and you turn 18.
Why not just introduce legislation to end that requirement altogether.
Oh no… war is happening…
As an aside, my parents kept me out of the “the system” for most of my youth so I missed my deadline, I never knew it existed.
This made me ineligible for some benefits like federal loans and other programs. I wrote to Selective Service with a notarized letter that my failure to register was truly an oversight and they sent me a waiver and cleared my status.
AFAIK this is only required if you apply for financial aid for college.
That’s transphobic. Trans women shouldn’t have to sign up for the draft.
yeah, it sucks. heres a good essay on that issue
If I were an American I’d be calling their office and saying I can’t fill out their form, and appearing in court to defend my violation of the law on the grounds that it’s impossible to legally follow. Lying about my sex on a government form would be illegal, and I don’t want to break the law.
Ayy, shout out Alyssa Rosenzweig! They’re doing great work on M1 graphics drivers.
And sexist.
It is required your all males. That said, you will generally only have an issue when applying for financial aid or if you want to work for the federal government.
When I applied for a license at 16 back in 2006-esk time(born in 89) it was required to sign up to acquire one. 2 years before being legally allowed to vote
Don’t give them ideas.
Kinda a nothing burger really. The military doesn’t want conscripts unless there’s an existential threat to the country.
So there’s two scenarios:
- Selective service continues to exist and is only used if there’s an existential threat to the country
- Selective service is eliminated and is re-instated only if there’s an existential threat to the country
Option 2 is preferable since it eliminates the cost of a program that will likely never be used again. But it still doesn’t eliminate the possibility of a draft since if the country were under an existential threat in the future, legislation can be passed to bring it back. So Option 2 isn’t effectively different from Option 1, other than the cost savings.
As it is, selective service is basically just a political talking point, and a way to “own the libs” or whatever. The best way to argue against it is to make an argument around the cost of a program that doesn’t really accomplish anything. But the libs take the bait and argue about not wanting to be drafted, which isn’t wrong, but that makes the libs look weak in the eyes of many, and it allows Republicans get to make hay about their opposition being weak.
