Good fucking luck. Trying to get schools to give any standardized test is like pulling teeth, entire states have given up on the idea.
This has been in place for decades, I had to take it in the 80s in a public school. It’s called ASVAB like the article mentions. This is nothing new.
In some schools. In my public school, we took practice ACTs and SATs.
Just because something’s “been done for decades” isn’t a good reason to keep doing it, much less to expand the practice. I mean, 50 years after the draft ended, but men still have to register, isn’t a good reason to sign up women.
I’m not saying keep it because we’ve always done it, I’m saying it’s always been around. This is to get people riled up about something that’s always existed.
The required part would be new.
It wasn’t optional for us.
It’s funny because i went to a DoDD school and I never took it. I think only the ROTC kids did.
Sounds like marketing spew from the makers of the product.
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I have no idea what the test involves, but if that had been me, me and my friends would have tanked it and made the results useless.
I took it in high school just to have some extra testing under my belt for some reason that made sense at the time. It was probably the easiest test that I’d taken all 4 years. They’re not testing for who can be rocket surgeons, but for people who have practical smarts. There were a couple of questions where you were given a series of 10 connected gears and giving the rotation direction of the first had to predict the last. Yeah, not calculus.
This guys name is colon? That’s going to take a pounding in boot camp.
Can we do something about making the Selective Service more equitable? Why is it that Men are the only ones that have to register for the draft? We have plenty of women serving in the armed forces, make everyone have to register.
WTF is this about? I showed up stoned from skipping class in 10th grade and took the ASVAB back in the day. I placed in the top 1% of the nation not remembering a single question. I was told I qualified for any position in the military. I got DQ’d so it was for nothing. Why is this an issue now?
Armed services don’t have enough recruits, so they want a bigger pool to chose from. If every kid has to take ASVAB, then they have a much bigger pool of possibilities, including being able to actively recruit better suited people. The other point was to expand jROTC, to do exactly that.
I had no interest in the military but took ASVAB thinking of it as practice for SAT, which I did care about. However the tests were different enough to not be good practice, plus then I was constantly recruited by all branches. I expect they want to be able to do more of this
What is DQ’d?
I think disqualified.
We could start the first war fought by dropping rich people from drones!
No wait… dropping rich people on fire from drones. That’s better. We might run out of rich people, but they will run out of rich people first!
We’d need a wide range of rich people munitions if we wanted to fight a war. Armor-piercing rich people, incendiary rich people, cluster rich people, high-explosive rich people. It’ll be quite the endeavor.
Doritos are really flammable. I wonder if we just feed a rich guy Doritos if it will do the trick. But you’re right, that’s just one type. How can we make a rich guy more stiff? Stuff enough for armor piercing. This will take quite a bit of lead pills.
We did at my school.
If we find this becomes forced, just tell your kid they’re allowed to mark all a’s and turn it in. Done.
It literally has no bearing on their school grades.
The more you cede, the more they will take.
If it ever becomes forced, colleges and employers are going to expect to see scores. Absence of ASVAB results will be conspicuous.
I didn’t submit SAT (or equivalents) and still got accepted into several different colleges.
I never finished because I’m a shit student but I’m also making over 240k with no degree.
So, even now colleges and employers don’t care. Maybe higher tier colleges but I was never getting into those anyway.
ACTs and SATs aren’t mandated. Students take them if they want to, just like the ASVAB now.
If the SATs were mandated, employers and colleges would expect to see the scores.
It literally has no bearing on their school grades.
For now.
Having to give on off advice to each child each time they are compelled to take a military aptitude test is much worse than not compelling that test.
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Cool, but we also take Finland’s law about tuition: it’s illegal to charge it.
No private schools. It’s done wonders for their society because the rich people invest in the same schools as everyone else.
We have private schools. But they just can’t charge tuition.
Honestly asking - how are the private schools funded? From the government? Assuming at the same level as the public schools?
I think most have some sort of foundation behind them funding it. Government and municipalities give them most of the funding I think, part comes from fundraisers and the sort, part from investments. But the schools can’t be run for profit and they can’t make a profit, so they invest the money usually back into running the school or investments.
Thanks!
I bet the no-profit law really wrankles the school owners.
I wish that kind of sensibility would happen in America - but honestly I don’t see it happening anytime soon.
I don’t know, a lot of them are for some ideological reason or need. And I just don’t mean religion but some sort of view about education or some perceived need they saw in education field that the state or municipal government wasn’t filling. Christian schools, Waldorf/Steiner education, international schools, providing education closer to home, filling in a need that the job market has. For those sort of reasons the profit angle might be not a very high on their list but rather they want to fill that need they think exists.
Of course since you can’t run a s school for profit that means there aren’t such schools so those even thinking of profit high on their list wouldn’t apply a permission to run a school to begin with.
Is illegal to charge to be a private tutor?
No, it is illegal to run a private school…
It’s not illegal to run a private school but it’s illegal to charge tuition.
Endless War is a Hallmark of Fascism. This will require a large number of cannon fodder.
Ask one of the schmucks advocating for this to be the first to enlist and I bet they’ll have some bullshit excuse as to why they can’t
It very much has the “we must give meaning to life for the idiots who can’t run their own life… and by that we mean we think you aren’t human so just do what we need to be comfortable and dominant ourselves” vibe
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Wikipedia about this sourceMy school had us all take it at 16.
If you refused you had to go sit in the cafeteria by yourself and weren’t allowed to even study. Just sit there with your eyes open not doing anything for like 4 hours.
Fuck that’s awful. We’re you in Idaho or something equally awful?
They had us take it in the 90s in my high school but we quickly knew it was worth nothing so everyone tanked it on purpose. We were already weary of standardized testing and knew just what to ask the teachers.
Malicious compliance is always fun but way better in groups.
A bunch of us picked the same letter for every answer so we could compare our scores and test probability.
Pretty much, we’re also talking about right after 9/11.
We had people signing delayed papers as soon as they turned 17 so they’d go to boot immediately after HS graduation.
It was a wild time.
Our school offered it, and you got out of your other classes to take it. I’m still in the military, some 18 years later, and I’d still suggest it for everyone as an option like mine was. I wouldn’t even feel too badly about schools requiring it. It’s just another test, without any obligation after. But, for a lot of lower income families, and for students who don’t perform too well, this opens another option for them after they graduate. Especially one that, with some potential risks to your body or life… could absolutely pay for your college.
People here don’t want a real tangible way out of their money problems.
It was a good start for me as well but people on Lemmy really don’t want to hear it.
I fucked my way through HS, and graduated with a 2.7 something. I fought hard at college to get a 3.2 by graduation. And I didn’t even go STEM. I wouldn’t have ever had scholarships or been able to be a traditional student without the military. I’m not making too much, but the opportunities I’ve had have come from this option, and that test. For some people a career and opportunity can be found here. Especially those poorer or lower income individuals I work with, people who were set up for failure or had it worse than I did.
I went to high school during peace time — that used to be a thing way back when — and I think my school required it for ROTC but maybe it was more of a strong suggestion rather than a requirement.
We also had possibly the worst possible system for military recruiters. You had to choose between the regular P.E. class, weight lifting (if you played a sport), and ROTC. The end result was that ROTC was always like 2% committed future service members (who would have joined the military with or without high school ROTC) and 98% awkward people avoiding sports at all cost. (Or the worst fate of all, 1st hour PE so you were the person who smelled like stanky teen gym clothes in every one of your classes.)
My school had us all take it at 16.
If you refused you had to go sit in the cafeteria by yourself and weren’t allowed to even study. Just sit there with your eyes open not doing anything for like 4 hours.
Every time I hear stories like this, it reminds me of my old high school. As it was the only public school in the city and there were no alternatives, it was damn near impossible to actually get expelled unless you were physically threatening or dealing cocaine in the halls.
They tried punishments like this too for a variety of reasons. Not being ready for gym class, or some hands-on class that requires a uniform. In-school suspension for minor infractions. Dress code violations. Stuff like that. They were happy that most of the kids bothered to show up and not cause problems at all. Kids were gonna sit there with their headphones on, head on a desk, and probably taking a nap. Attempting to tell the kids they couldn’t do that was probably going to be met with a middle finger. What were you gonna do, suspend them? That’s what they wanted in the first place. It was a 3 day vacation to them.
Why do you think they hate birth control and abortion so much? They want cannon fodder, and desperate people who will work for starvation wages.
