President in effect endorses ethnic cleansing of territory before hosting meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu

Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.

Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.

Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    51 minutes ago

    I’d ask protest voters if they’re feeling pretty stupid right now, but the truth is they never gave a flying fuck about Palestinians. They only cared about feeling morally superior.

    Trash humans.

  • Allah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 hours ago

    they started the war and they lost? why should israel make the concession?

    • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 hours ago

      Not murdering them all isn’t a concession. They can’t go live in Egypt. Egypt has 3x the population density of the US now they won’t accept gazans

      • Allah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 hour ago

        1. Genocide refers to the deliberate destruction of a group based on its identity, as defined by Raphael Lemkin, who introduced the term after witnessing the horrors of Nazi atrocities. The term was legally recognized in 1946 by the United Nations. Genocide includes actions such as killing, causing harm, and inflicting conditions that destroy a group. Israel’s military actions in Gaza are not aimed at destroying the Palestinian population but targeting Hamas, a terrorist organization. Statements from Israeli officials and military practices reinforce that Israel does not intend to harm innocent civilians in Gaza.

        2. Israel’s military response in Gaza is aimed at Hamas, not the Palestinian population, which is not genocide but a defense against a terrorist group that seeks Israel’s destruction. Hamas’s actions represent genocidal intent, targeting Israeli civilians and propagating hatred against Jews. Israel’s actions are consistent with international law, focusing on eliminating Hamas and its military infrastructure in Gaza. The use of significant military force is justified, given Hamas’s attacks on Israel. These actions are not genocide, as they are in direct response to a genocidal attack by Hamas.

        3. Israel’s military efforts are designed to minimize harm to Palestinian civilians, with the IDF issuing warnings before strikes and setting up humanitarian corridors. Despite challenges, Israel’s focus is on protecting civilians by evacuating them from battle zones and providing aid. The actions reflect Israel’s desire to protect civilians from harm while addressing the threat posed by Hamas. Claims of genocidal intent are contradicted by Israel’s humanitarian efforts in Gaza. The goal is to remove civilians from harm’s way while dismantling Hamas’s infrastructure.

        4. Hamas deliberately places Palestinian civilians in harm’s way to use them as human shields and to manipulate public opinion by inflating civilian casualties. It fires missiles from civilian areas, turning them into legitimate military targets. While Israel aims to avoid civilian harm, it cannot entirely eliminate the risk due to Hamas’s tactics. The responsibility for civilian casualties lies with Hamas, which exacerbates the situation by using civilian sites to shield its operations. Israel’s military actions, while tragic, are legally justified in targeting legitimate military objectives.

        5. Claims of genocide by Israel in Gaza are based on misunderstandings and unverified information. The true circumstances surrounding civilian casualties are unclear due to Hamas’s control of Gaza’s health ministry and its influence on casualty reporting. The real causes of civilian deaths, including whether they were caused by Hamas’s actions or Israeli strikes, are often unclear. Claims of genocide are fueled by misinformation, and the real blame for civilian suffering should lie with Hamas. Efforts to end the suffering in Gaza would be better focused on defeating Hamas, ensuring peace for both Palestinians and Israelis.

  • endeavor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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    3 hours ago

    Wellllll technically those who voted against Kamala to stop israeli genocide got what they wanted. Israel no longer has to genocide Palestinians.

  • sumguyonline@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 hours ago

    If he said this to people in my home town, there would be 1 resounding answer from those left standing “Live free or Die” so actually Palestinians that have nothing to lose because it was taken from them, literally don’t have a choice but to stay and fight the boot on their neck.

  • ahumana@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 hours ago

    Amazing. I would be thrilled if I was living in that rumble with jihadi overlords. Lets be honest if the gazans were given free pass (for example) to come to the west, gaza would be deserted. Even neighbouring countries are far better to live in. This is an opportunity of a life time if it actually comes to fruition. Trump is really thinking outside of the box to bring an end to this artificial conflict for good.

  • adm@lemm.eeEnglish
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    5 hours ago

    It’s right to be angry. I don’t have an answer. I think few people realize that most genocides are actually successful and forgotten.

  • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
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    8 hours ago

    In 1940, the Nazis’ plan was to relocate all Jews to Madagascar.
    Just 2 years later, they started exterminating them systematically.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      42 minutes ago

      Yup.

      They went from passing oppressive laws against Jews to turning them to ash in a frighteningly short period of time.

      Fascism is 100% here and our nation is asleep at the fucking wheel.

      Never been more ashamed to be an American.

    • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      3 hours ago

      Population transfers aren’t unheard of. In Greece/Turkey, Italians from eastern Adriatic, German from Prussia and Silesia, Pakistan/India millions of people moved.

      This Holocaust comparison is completely dishonest and betrays any knowledge of how it happened. Used in this context, it’s Holocaust relativism at best and likely antisemitic.

  • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
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    9 hours ago

    Americans making this about Trump vs Kamala is getting really really annoying. I mean, we get it, you are pissed off at each other. We’ve read the same arguments dozens of times already, and at this point it is getting extremely tired. It sucks the oxygen out of every conversation. Is this what the discourse is going to be around Palestine and Israel the next four years?

      • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
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        1 hour ago

        The US President, yes. You have to understand that internationally, at this point, we just see him as just that: The US President. Your elections are your internal issue and we don’t need to be expending all our energy psychoanalyzing your electoral system. As not-an-american, I don’t give a damn about how mad you are at your fellow citizens who might or might not have stayed home at election day or voted in a way that you think was stupid. Not every fucking world event needs to be understood from the perspective of the role of Jill Fucking Stein as a spoiler candidate.

        EDIT: Rule number 1 says “[…] Not United States Internal News […]”. This applies to posts, but I think after a certain point, overtly brigading every fucking world event thread with the internal US perspective kind of beats the point.

  • shadowfax13@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    9 hours ago

    comment section full of spineless beggars who wants everyone to live on fake crumbs thrown by dnc hacks. what’s biden, harris and pelosi doing these days ? they seems to have made fortunes pretending to represent us and now enjoying themselves leaving us and palestinians to get fcked same as under biden. are we all forgetting biden hugging the scum netanyahu and him getting a standing ovation for murdering millions with our money.

    aipac owned kamala would be no different other than wording it with lots of word salad of “allies”and right to defend (genocide).

    reality is our country has became a rotten oligarchy owning both parties and they see normal voters as no different than how israelis see palestians. they will happily butcher us and our kids for an extra yatch

    • Hobo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 hours ago

      Yep the DNC isn’t great but it’s far better then actively feeding the country to the oligarchy. Go fuck youself with the BoTh SiDeS bullshit.

      • shadowfax13@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        8 hours ago

        cry all you want but its not going to change that millions of past dnc voters want to see likes of pelosi and schumer hanged in the streets than blackmailed into voting for them again. just so they can continue to make millions selling the country to same oligarchs while we keep eating shit with a different packaging.

        • Hobo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          8 hours ago

          Do you understand how Senators are elected? The VAST majority of DNC voters didn’t vote for Pelosi or Schumer because they aren’t in their districts.

          Maybe pay attention to the road so you don’t accidentally drive your tank into those civilians, again.

            • Hobo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              7 hours ago

              The DNC is bad. I said it again. The DNC is really not great. There once more. They are not nearly as bad as what’s going on in the current administration though. If that statement is “defending the DNC” then you have lost all perspective.

              • shadowfax13@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                2 hours ago

                saying we should vote dnc even when they are trash enough is defending them. trump became president because first time because of them not despite of them. he also became president second time because of dnc fossils and stupid biden doing nothing to control inflation or israel. he gave doj to republicans so that trump will be free to run against them in elections. these scammers are happy today because they have succeeded in lowering the bar further for how trash they can be next time.

                the best thing trump can do to prevent someone like him becoming president again is to hang entire dnc leadership and its smug consultants who pocket millions every election from our donations to only loose to a orange buffoon. once trash is wiped away leaders like aoc and warren will be actually able to build a real opposition.

  • sozesoze@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 hours ago

    The amount of hatred against phantom leftists that on the one hand lost the Dems the vote and on the other were too weak to have their demands considered is crazy.

    No, these people didn’t lose you the vote. They don’t even exist in this ambivalent form. It was everyday citizens that heard Democrats push the same racist border talking points Trump spewed last election and went “Hm, if even the Dems say this is a problem, I’ll vote the party that talked about how evil Migrants were for decades, the GOP”. It’s people tired of increasingly struggling to make ends meet and the Dems saying everything will stay the same, while Trump promised them change. We know that he just means destroying the last remnants of social security nets for poor people and everything that stands in the way for oligarchs making kaijulllian dollars. But people are stupid and desperate. Why can’t the Democratic party be held to a higher standard than whatever this is?

    • Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      8 hours ago

      The Dems are constantly held to a vastly higher standard. This was true when trump first came to power too.

      Hillary: competent politician, could have smiled more maybe, no big changes.

      Trump: grab em by the pussy, pay hush money to porn stars, ramble incoherently.

      Public: what about her emails?

      • sozesoze@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 hours ago

        No, they aren’t. Expecting the Dems to get the vote by not being the fascists is a low standard. They have to present more than that. They didn’t, in fact, and now the party blames leftists for not voting hard enough when it’s their failure.

        Jesus, when Luigi Mangione allegedly killed that healthcare CEO, it showed how the entire country liked seeing that, and the Democratic party has no idea what kind of campaign they could maybe run? I’m not saying they should run on a billionaire purge platform, but c’mon, maybe use your one billion dollar campaign funds for sending a message for you and not against the other one. Instead we got a 25k grant for a house purchase if you jump through three hoops. Wow, inspiring stuff.

        And Hillary Clinton being characterized as making “no big changes” tells the whole story here. Her opponent went on a “drain the swamp”, “we’re going to make America great again” campaign and building up a hispanic and muslim scape goat. Everyone who is educated knew these were lies, but people were bad off, even then, and needed change. To be a hawkish candidate in a war exhausted society who runs on nothing but trying to achieve the first female presidential office is a weak attempt at saving America from Trump.