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Bro, just one more year. Let them come up with just another pair of goggles bro, trust me bro, one more year and we will be in VR future bro.
Quest 3 adoption is super high compared to where quest 1 or 2 were at years ago, the apple vision pro wasn’t meant to create mass adoption anyway, not at that price point.
I’m still waiting for:
- good Linux support, including apps/games
- not too expensive - $500-ish
- relatively privacy-friendly, so anything Meta is out
Valve Index is close, but it’s expensive and Linux content is very limited. Bigscreen VR Headsets looks interesting since it seems more comfortable than Index, just as privacy-friendly, and should work on Linux, but it’s still a little expensive ($1k) and there aren’t many Linux VR apps AFAIK. I might get it though, still deciding.
This requires an Apple iPhone XR or newer, as the face scan utilizes the TrueDepth sensor.
I’d rather take a plaster mold of my face than have to use a specific phone to order a VR headset.
I could probably borrow my wife’s iPhone, but agree, this isn’t great and is part of why I don’t own one. I’m guessing the custom cushion is a significant part of the price (and the appeal), so hopefully they make an alternative at some point.
“borrow my wife’s iPhone” has to be the #1 way people order these. It makes no sense to assume your PC VR enthusiast market has a recent Apple phone on hand
In the year 2000…
Apple has suspended work on the second-generation Vision Pro headset to singularly focus on a cheaper model
That seems very reasonable and like what they probably should’ve been doing all along.
I still don’t understand who the pro was actually for. Everyone who had one said exactly the same thing about it which was they couldn’t understand how to use it productively for anything.
IMHO, it’s a fancy dev kit.
Exactly. Not promoting it as a dev kit was a major failure. This is the kind of product where you CAN’T do without external feedback, not everybody will use one in a clean office (or even one that stands still), not everybody has the same spatial awareness or motor skills, not supporting controllers locks out numerous people with limited hand movements, etc… As a dev kit it could’ve worked much better at getting the kind of feedback they need from devs working on useful AR stuff
The problem with it being a dev kit is that I don’t know what features are and are not going to be on the more consumer model, so I can’t really develop anything for it.
Will the consumer version have the truly excellent depth tracking or will it use the cheaper but more traditional point tracking system, because that will inform my UI decisions. Will it have iris recognition for logins or will I need to build that functionality in, will they please include controllers, will they please fix it so that you can pin things to a location, and not have them close just because you leave that location? I don’t know, as they haven’t communicated anything about it.
The kind of people who would go around driving a Cybertruck with a Vision Pro on their faces and an humane pin strapped on.
For one glorious moment of misreading there I thought there was a humane pin strap on.
I guess the idea is that it’s an entire imac but in a VR form factor, trouble was they didn’t have anywhere near the app support that you would need to make that idea work
You mean they’re doing what everyone said they should have done to begin with - release an affordable consumer product that will in turn attract more developers?
Everyone knew that they would release a cheaper model, and it was always their plan. That’s why it has ‘pro’ in its name.
And my point is that maybe they should have established a market by releasing a cheaper model first.
Why does this feel like another “voice assistant” that we’re supposed to talk to all day?
If we worked from home, maaaayyybe voice control could be a thing once it’s 100%? But Boss Man wants us back at work. Are we really going to be a open-office with everyone talking to their computer like some sort of crypto bro boiler room?
It’s sorta like the “video phone” that everyone was dying to have for decades. We finally got it and everyone went “meh”. A few grandparents use it to talk to their grandkids. Hell, most of the current generations don’t even use phones anymore.
It’s one more technology that’s being pushed out before it’s baked and will likely be only really useful in niche applications. Really fucking good for those niche applications, but just too expensive and awkward for anyone else.
The video phone is now facetime, skype, zoom, google meet etc…
Yeah, FaceTime. But how often do people use it in practice?
Good point about Zoom. Business clearly like Zoom for meetings, but big business is still hammering BTO hard. Will Zoom be marginalized when they finally force in-person meetings?
Also, the last few companies I worked for that did Zoom meetings, everyone kept their cameras off.
My kid and his friends use FaceTime instead of calling and will often be on it for hours while gaming. It’s much easier than a call for 3+ people. We are in the US but I imagine they use whatsapp or whatever the same way other places.
I work for a smaller org (less than 50 ppl) and we are generally required to have cameras on in meetings.
It’s not every day for everyone, but I used video calling every day to talk to my foreign spouse, and to talk to my little brothers when I was overseas. It’s pretty amazing overall.
There are some demographics where its usage is extremely common. I’ve come across multiple people who are on FaceTime calls while in public. Just walking around on video and speaker, talking to someone else. I can’t conceive of using it this way, but in some social circles it’s totally normalized.
This page has some interesting quotes. Reading through, it sounds like while it’s hovering at or below the top 5 most common video chat tools. There’s a lot of bias towards quotes about 2020 usage so that’s obviously skewed, but that year at least it there were 9-25% of various demographics cited using FaceTime daily.
I use FaceTime 2-3 times a year to talk to my nephew, and maybe 3-5 times a year to screen share or show my mum things. But I do use Teams video calls literally 5 days a week (I try to avoid the video part when I can, but there are a few in leadership who really push for it. My company is never doing RTO, so I’ll accept a bit of video calling for the sake of permanent WFH!).
The front screen is what no one wants in a cheaper version. Don’t cut back on sound and cameras ffs
Is this the virtual boy of Apple? A product that never really made no sense to anybody and was never really supported?
The virtual boy was awesome. I literally thought it was a childhood hallucination for almost 2 decades…
Imagine if they had more games for it, and kept improving the tech. Up through the Wii, Nintendo actually made some of the most amazing tech - the Wii accelerometers are what made quadcopters possible (outside of DARPA projects). The Nintendo back then could’ve made worthwhile VR before the iPad took the “I want to be on the Internet on the couch” niche
I played it at a blockbuster I think. I desperately wanted one as a kid. The only games I remember were tennis and a wario side scroller where he can jump into the background. I think I would have been bored within a week.
At least the VirtualBoy sold enough to not make it waste of time?
It did?
No.
it was cool though
I was hoping they’d get the price down to something sane. It looks like it could be a cool tool for CAD. Of course there won’t be any input available from a non-Apple computer so I still wouldn’t want one.
In the article it says they’re cancelling the “pro” version to focus on producing a cheaper version. So it sounds like you might get what you want, although “cheaper” will still likely be very expensive, and your point about compatibility with non-Apple devices still holds.
I desperately want a virtual desktop environment for plain ass computing. Give me infinite windows for my spreadsheet and IDE and that’s all I need!
Yeah, I would genuinely use one for the virtual screen capabilities to do my normal Salesforce-and-Slack job, if not for the price.
you can do this with the quest 3 i think
Without a Meta account tho? I’ve got hard blockers on price or shenanigans (or both) for every headset I know of.
Not sure what having an account has to do with anything. I get the objection on the grounds of Meta being a shit company and it’s perfectly reasonable, but having to make an account specifically for the device (and possibly nothing else - you don’t have to link it to facebook or anything) doesn’t magically give them any more power over you.
I’ve heard the quest 3 is awesome and does almost everything the Vision does. Not sure I can justify the price to myself yet.
i am using a quest 2 for productivity and ebooks but the resolution is so low that my desktops need to be 1280x720 or I can’t read them. it will be nice to upgrade when i get the chance.
I’ve heard the resolution is good enough to watch movies on too. Not sure if that is true, but that would be a selling point for me.
The price immediately put this product into the grave. They should take out all the useless features like the eye passthrough, or the bizarre face scanning, if it’ll only ever be used for calls. If this were to be used in a gaming scenario, sort of like what the PSVR2 does, that’d be a whole different conversation
Rip
If they can’t get the headset to fit the size and weight of swimming goggles, I don’t think it can get mass adoption
Companies have been pushing VR so long now. I’ll say that I think the tech is cool and the idea is cool, but I will literally never use them.
I can’t wear them while working as I am in meetings 99% of the time.
I would not wear them in my free time, as I do not want to disassociate from my wife and cats.
My issue is, aside from gaming, I’m not interacting with the content or data in any meaningful, improved way.
VR for real life is just a series of flat two dimensional screens, usually with a novelty background of a waterfall.
Yeah, I think it could be useful for CAD or 3D art (with proper software) but I can’t think of many other jobs where it would be all that helpful.
The current iterations have far more potential than the past.
But the hardware is stil too power inefficiënt and the display pixel density is expensive to produce.
I would only use VR in racing, flight sim, or space sim games. probably once a couple of months after the initial excitement.
Aren’t the meetings pushed as one of the basic function of these? But I guess it only makes sense if most of the participants use them and software has the support.
If most people have them? Ok, I’ll tell all my clients to get a pair 😂
yeah the software they developed only works between Vision owners… perfect for meetings between all your millionaire friends I guess
It’s absolutely phenomenal for gaming or vr “experiences” (basically movies made specifically for vr). But the corpos are really hellbent on making everyone use it for meetings for some fucking reason. Which is truly the lamest, most unnecessary use of this tech.
This is just a price to function issue.
If the price was 0 everyone would have one.
But the cost of it is way too high for what it is. Price and weight etc will come down. Uses will increase.
Have one != Use one. I own two and stopped using them ages ago. All of them are too clunky and I realized I’m generally too lazy to want to interact with stuff in VR vs my more comfortable media consumption on a TV and a couch.
Maybe if they were super lightweight and I could legitimately do real exercise with them they’d be useful, but as is they’re too hot, too uncomfortable and too limited.
I don’t think the cost is too high at all. But I also don’t think it’s a consumer device right now. It’s a dev kit with none of the cost savings of production at scale.
I love VR. So I use it for gaming maybe once a week, for 1-2 hours, usually as an activity with my SO so we can switch who’s playing each “round” depending on the game. That’s the maximum I find fun instead of tiring. I can’t see using it for long periods or for work, that sounds like a nightmare.
I have found my headset useful for work, when working from home and I don’t do camera on meetings anyway.
At home it’s pretty nice, and since my ears are open I can actually talk, so my wife actually prefers it over me wearing headphones. But all things in moderation, I wouldn’t wear it constantly.
Despite being a huge fan of the concept, I still couldn’t go for Apple’s headset, it’s heavy, it’s expensive, and lack of controllers are all deal breakers. The Quest 3 is lighter, has good controllers, and is more affordable. It may not have the displays as nice as Vision, but that doesn’t make up for the rest of the stuff.
I watched a YouTuber telling something like:
“I cannot believe Apple’s biggest premium VR tech wants to change the world… And they are advertising it with… Fucking spreadsheets”
I am paraphrasing ofc, but the meaning was that this could have been a pretty good toy for everyone, but they are trying to sell it as a work-buddy thingy, yeah seeing those spreadsheets focus was kinda dystopian (like in Ready Player One where they are caged doing work or something hah), watching movies in crazy sites yeah, that was what would have sell it more for me, and other ppl, if it wasn’t crazily expensive.
It’s not for gaming and it’s not for porn… what were they thinking?
If it fails it is totally on them.
Samsung gear vr is the best vr /s
To do:
Cheaper headset
Actual controllers
Make it work with PCs
- Don’t make it out of a solid chunk of aluminium and glass so it weighs a ton and has nothing to balance it out on the back.
Apple: nah
I still don’t understand how Windows got the PC name. A Mac is also a personal computer…
Also, apple isn’t going to make it work with other OSs any more than they have their other products, not sure why you’d even list that.
In case you are wanting the history. IBM actually coined the term PC with their IBM Personal Computers
At the time most computing platforms were incompatible. Software written for a commodore computer wouldn’t work with an apple computer wouldn’t work with an IBM PC.
The IBM PC was popular enough though that people started building “pc compatible” machines. A very popular configuration for this was intel chips with Microsoft DOS. While these machines started out as “pc compatible” after a while the IBM PC wasn’t a big deal anymore so saying “we are compatible with a machine released in 1981” just slowly morphed into “it’s a PC” as shorthand for “intel chipset with Microsoft OS”
Now why didn’t apple get the pc moniker? At the time when the IBM PC launched apple was actively building and selling their own computers and weren’t interested in making them IBM PC clones so they never went out and marketed themselves as “pc compatible” because for the most part they were not.
Thanks for attending my Ted talk
Thanks for the history, very interesting! I still hate how the term is used today and refuse to use it.
Nowadays I mostly think of it in regards to how much control you have over the hardware. If you can Ship of Theseus your way to a completely different machine with completely different specs, that’s a PC to me. If you’re stuck with what you paid for, then it’s something else. A Mac Mini is not a PC in my book, but a Hackintosh is even though it’s the same OS and general hardware architecture.
But that’s just how I use the term.
I still struggle to read personal computer and not think of any phone, laptop, etc as a PC. Hell, a calculator is a rudementary PC.
I made the right choice back in 2019 when they were recruiting optimechanics experts. It’s a dumb idea.
Yeah right. Surely it would have been a good idea to take the money for the last 5 years.
Why? I got a way better job that I like and it has no end in sight. I could retire on this one. Maybe.
Weird flex, but ok.
Good for sticking to something you believe in. Highly underrated quality in engineers. “Take the money and run like a thief” is such a bullshit attitude
Yeah the best jobs are all about doing something you like. The moment you stop caring much about being employed there, quality drops and your own reputation is on the line. It’s much better to do what you love. Getting paid 🤪 for it, that’s my wife’s job. She pushed me in the negotiation phase to the point where I was so uncomfortable. But now I feel like that was ok based on the change I brought to others in the company. My pay bump raised the pay for several others. But anyway, do what you love and get paid doing it, like Chris Rock said once…or twice while getting paid to say it.
“We made a VR games headset, but replaced the games with office related programs, like calenders and notepads”
I’m not sure why they tried this.
I don’t know how far things have come since the aptly named Acer AH101-D8EY, but that was the last time I tried to be “productive” in VR and it was absolutely not working.
My guess was that they knew gaming was niche and were willing to invest less in this headset and more in spreading the widespread idea that “Spatial Computing” is the next paradigm for work.
I VR a decent amount, and I really do like it a lot for watching TV and YouTube, and am toying with using it a bit for work-from-home where the shift in environment is surprisingly helpful.
It’s just limited. Streaming apps aren’t very good, there’s no great source for 3D movies (which are great, when Bigscreen had them anyways), they’re still a bit too hot and heavy for long-term use, the game library isn’t very broad and there haven’t been many killer app games/products that distinct it from other modalities, and it’s going to need a critical amount of adoption to get used in remote meetings.
I really do think it’s huge for given a sense of remote presence, and I’d love to research how VR presence affects remote collaboration, but there are so many factors keeping it tough to buy into.
They did try, though, and I think they’re on the right track. Facial capture for remote presence and hybrid meetings, extending the monitors to give more privacy and flexibility to laptops, strong AR to reduce the need to take the headset off - but they’re first selling the idea, and then maybe there will be a break. I’ll admit the industry is moving much slower than I’d anticipated back in 2012 when I was starting VR research.
The only thing I could see myself using it for, is being in bed and watching a movie. I can do that with ar glasses for 300$.
I myself use a 9 US$ gooseneck phone holder that gives me a great tv watching experience in bed. Came across it as a lemmy recommendation and it’s improved the quality of my life much more than some high end gadgets.
