Claire*, 42, was always told: “Follow your dreams and the money will follow.” So that’s what she did. At 24, she opened a retail store with a friend in downtown Ottawa, Canada. She’d managed to save enough from a part-time government job during university to start the business without taking out a loan.
For many years, the store did well – they even opened a second location. Claire started to feel financially secure. “A few years ago I was like, wow, I actually might be able to do this until I retire,” she told me. “I’ll never be rich, but I have a really wonderful work-life balance and I’ll have enough.”
But in midlife, she can’t afford to buy a house, and she’s increasingly worried about what retirement would look like, or if it would even be possible. “Was I foolish to think this could work?” she now wonders.
She’s one of many millennials who, in their 40s, are panicking about the realities of midlife: financial precarity, housing insecurity, job instability and difficulty saving for the future. It’s a different kind of midlife crisis – less impulsive sports car purchase and more “will I ever retire?” In fact, a new survey of 1,000 millennials showed that 81% feel they can’t afford to have a midlife crisis. Our generation is the first to be downwardly mobile, at least in the US, and do less well than our parents financially. What will the next 40 years will look like?
I’m a late gen-Xer (born in '80, so I’m more of a “Xennial”). I have a stable job, pension, matching 401k, no kids, no debt (paid off my car and student loans), make 6 figures, and I am STILL convinced that I will never be able to retire. I feel horrible for all those who are in a worse financial situation than me, but we are all really fucked in the next 20 years.
Weird flex, but ok
He’s lying.
I’m almost exactly same as you and you’re full of shit.
If you’re honestly making 100k with no debt and one mortgage around 300k you can save 2k a month if your wife makes a decent wage.
Who said they have a wife?
I have a stable job, pension, matching 401k, no kids, no debt (paid off my car and student loans), make 6 figures, and I am STILL convinced that I will never be able to retire.
If this is your reality, there’s more wrong with your expectations than your situation.
Social Security is set to run out in the 2030s, and I fully expect the stock market to crash, effectively wiping out my 401k. As others have mentioned, resources like water will start to become scarce, inciting instability.
That’s very pessimistic.
Not for the entire southwestern United States. There’s 5 major cities off the top of my head getting ready to face a zero day. If you don’t think the stock market is going to react when that happens…
What’s a “zero day” in this context?
Zero day is the day a city runs out of water and must literally truck it in.
Gotcha, thank you!
I call it realistic. If you think everything is going to work out, you’re delusional, man. But I hope you prove me wrong some day, I really do.
Yeah, I’m not going to live my life like that.
i want to live like you; what evidence to you use to shore up this viewpoint?
No evidence. I just choose to live with a positive world view and not like every day is doom. I face problems head-on when they appear and I don’t collect sorrows in advance. But you do you. I know my approach is hard for most people.
Faith baby! pure, Colombian uncut hopium
Jumping in here with a couple cents. Background: Old millennial, paid off home, pension, 401K, 6 figs. I’ll be able to retire. My viewpoint: Automation and AI will accelerate. “Safe” jobs will be gone. In fact most jobs will be gone by 2029 (my guess). Goal: keep working and investing until I lose my job.
Hard times will hit because government is slow and wealthy people won’t care until it affects them. Once jobs are cut, profits for many businesses will fall because no one will be buying anything with the money they aren’t making. As big companies begin to fail, stocks will have already begun dropping. Wealthy will go after government and government will have to do something. Only good option to keep things running: Universal Basic Income. Question is where does the money come from? Answer: AI/robots will be taxed and taxed almost 100% more than a human. Why? They won’t care.
This leads us into humans have free-time to do whatever they like. Some can work where AI/robots fail for whatever reason, some can create new things using all the new tools. Businesses will still try and make the best products so the wealthy can still feel better with all the money that really won’t matter as much anymore. They’ll enjoy some exclusive things but it will likely be just locations and not technology.
TL;DR: Hell at first, then modern day renaissance.
SSI isn’t set to run out. It will have to be reduced if they don’t take the income cap off of it, however.
But all the other things you said will happen.
Correct. IIRC there’s an auto mechanism that will cut all benefits by 23% or something. So you’re mom/dad getting $2,000 a month would now only get about $1,500.
SSI isn’t set to run out. It will have to be reduced if they don’t take the income cap off of it, however.
that’s as realistic as single payer healthcare; or universal basic income; or sensible gun control legislation; or abolishing the electoral college, they all have super majority support of everyone in this country but there’s too much monied political interest against ever allowing it happen.
It will probably happen once the cut triggers. You are going to immediately see a lot of angry voters.
Considering how one party is hellbent on getting rid of social security and the other party just shrugs and let’s them get what they want; id expect the shrugging party to be left holding to bag and suffer the political consequences once the cut hits with nothing happening
The one thing you can count on conservatives paying attention to is messing with their money.
What happens might not be pretty, but if they try to day “fuck it, guess we are ending the program” there will be hell to pay.
Nah. They’ll be happy that minorities are hurt too.
Exactly. SS is too popular. There will be some sort of reform/funding, but congress will wait to the least minute to fix a problem. See any sort of continuing resolution government funding bill or the last time SS had problems back in the 80s. The '83 reform only occurred a mere months prior to insolvency. The fact that SS is still years/decades from major problems means it’s someone else’s problem to our elected representatives.
If you think the stock market crashing wipes your 401k to 0 and that’s realistic you need to get your head checked.
In 2020 it only dropped 20% and bounced back within 3 years.
Where do you chicken littles come from? Lol
Invest in water you say…
and I fully expect the stock market to crash, effectively wiping out my 401k.
You only lose money if you sell. Those who were able to stay the course after '08 made it all back and then some.
The risk is a huge crash right before you retire, or you have to pull from your 401k to fund living expenses.
I think the fear is it stays crashed. Like a new paradigm takes over that is hard to plan for
Same exact boat. Zero confidence I can retire. My best case plan is to move to South America at so. E point and hope I can make it until I die.
can’t afford to buy a house
My simple solution to this problem: Just don’t buy a house then. Just accept you’ll never own real estate and move on.
houses are an asset that a lot of people leverage once they can’t work; unless you’re already rich, not having one you’ll end up dying due from things that cost money like healthcare, food, or shelter.
My plan is “hope the afterlife is real and then be a spooky ghost”
No.
But one day I will get so desperatly poor that taking out someone in siphoning wealth from the country and ending them might seem like a fitting end.
If we don’t change things anyways.
I always wonder why people shoot up schools and parks when their problems are caused by people in board rooms. Never see a mass shooting in a board room for some reason.
Maybe there’s a selection bias, and we only hear about the dumb ones who target innocent people and get caught.
Well one of the original mass shootings resulted in the expression ‘going postal’, but I don’t recall what was ever theorized as a motive there. Workplace frustration maybe?
Believe it or not, people willing to murder others aren’t the best at thinking clearly.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- John F. Kennedy
Let’s make peaceful revolution possible by campaigning for electoral reform at the state level! We should all be free to vote for those who best represent us, secure in the knowledge that our vote will still be cast against those we don’t want in office.
We don’t need to wait for trump to have a hamburger heart attack, we dont need to wait for the republicans to stop existing. We can do this right now… and some states already have!
Yours can to, most especially the blue states. Who is stopping you in those blue states?
What’s on the other side of middle age? Well, I’m not there yet, but it sure looks like the answer is “more work”.
Meanwhile your grandparents were golfing at 65 and are living comfortably on their reverse mortgages up to 95 years old.
What are we calling middle age? because 35 is about middle age on a global average
Well, going by the article: 40.
Alas, I do have a plan involving retirement. It is filed under “things that happen to other people”.
The probability I’ll survive to retirement age is negligible, why worry about it?
What a quaint question. I honestly wonder if I’ll live my full life and die with a dignity instead of how i suspect, with a fistfull of dirt and a pigs boot on my skull.
Of course I’ll retire, when I can no longer get a job, and that time is coming up fast. I only hope it’s not until I get my teens through college and off to a running start. I don’t see how I can afford to keep my house or even continue to live in this town, though
I’m not sure I agree with the narrative about being worse off by generation, though, because it is so tied to what you do. I’m a little sad about my older son starting adult life “in hard mode”: i’m proud that he wants to teach, and we live in an area with generally better teacher pay, but he’ll never earn much. It has certainly made my life easier to be paid better as a software engineer, even if circumstances mean I’m not financially able to retire. He’ll almost certainly live with less, have fewer opportunities, purely by choice of career, and without regard to his generation. Tack on the excessive housing inflation and his desire to stay in a hcol state, and I can’t help but worry for him
On the plus side, your son will likely have an amazing pension. His retirement is probably more guaranteed than yours!
Plus social security. OUr effing politicians keep procrastinating on fixing social security, so the biggest impact will be when they are forced to at the last minute, when I need it most. My kids will have lived through that, seen social security fixed, and live in better demographics for it to stay fixed
It doesn’t need to be fixed they just need to fund it. The open secret is they’ve stolen money from ss for years.
Social security is funded by government bonds.
Bonds are just a promise the government makes to pay a certain amount of money at a certain amount of interest after a certain time has passed.
They aren’t stacking gold bars in fort Knox.
(They might or might not be stacking gold, they just aren’t paying for social security that way.)
SS has always been a funded by the promise to pay it. I don’t understand what you mean by “stealing”
No one has been paid less than they are owed just because SS ran a surplus for 60 years.
I will retire eventually. That may be due to my inability to be productive at an advanced age. I don’t see why we shouldn’t still get social security payments. I’m gonna just stop eventually once my kids are working. I have a small house and it will have been paid for by that time. Hopefully I can just rest at that point. Job done.
How are you going to make those tax payments, maintenance costs, transportation costs, etc. You think your social security will be enough to cover? Or is the plan “sell the house”?
I have a 401k. Live in Louisiana there is little property tax. I’ll just die eventually.
That’s the spirit!
As someone born in '82, I plan to feel a strong dispassion for human society, and then die.
‘85 … I expect to die in the water wars.
00s, I hope to not die for Putin’s palaces and yachts.
Bless the maker and his water, Bless the coming and going of him, may his passing cleanse the world.
I just need to do the dying part.
Retire? Nah when I’m done with life I’m just going to blow my brains out all over a politician or millionaire hedge fund manager.
They want to fuck over my future, I’ll take their sanity and gift wrap enough PTSD that every sleep is a nightmare.
I like your idea
My wife has a job with an awesome pension and as a result there is basically no situation she will ever leave. I pointed out to her that the golden handcuffs are still golden.
One day some MBAs are going to learn that if you don’t want constant turn over you give workers a pension so great they would crawl over their mother’s corpse to get it.
What am I saying? MBAs learning? Hahaha I love being silly.
Just give them a box of crayons to eat so the adults can get some work done for once.
Unfortunately, living in the US, I would not take a job with a pension because the (private) pension system cannot be trusted. I remember the 00s when many company pension accounts went bankrupt, because companies were no longer offering it as a benefit and it was easy enough to screw over retired past employees. Companies would take poorly performing divisions and their pension plans, spin them off as a new company that would quickly file for bankruptcy.
I would not trust a pension without it being insured by an organization like the FDIC. Even then, I would be afraid that my pension would not cover living costs due to inflation.
Luckily there are alternatives. I have a 401k, which should give me a steady flow of inflation proof dividends… until a market downturn wipes it out. If that happens, I can fall back to Social Security. Don’t believe the baloney that the government will ever let Social Security go bankrupt. They will just cut down benefits.
I don’t deny things like that happened. You heard about them right? So did I. But that’s the thing, these are the stories you heard. It’s man bites dog, it is observation bias.
Also her pension is insured. And I am pretty sure the bankruptcy thing you mentioned was one particular case with a car part maker.
It doesn’t matter if any specific MBA learns a lesson. Some other douche canoe will swing by and have their single brain cell fire off just this one time and they’ll start hacking away at the pensions to make Q3 look better.
I searched what MBA actually means. Fuck that shit. Degree in “Business Administration” sounds like degree in praying. Wait, there is one! Fuck!
One day some MBAs are going to learn that if you don’t want constant turn over you give workers a pension so great they would crawl over their mother’s corpse to get it.
Plus, modern MBAs see turnover as a good things because it makes the short-term investors happy.
Wtf why?
This is an appropriate reaction, in my opinion. Modern economic philosophy is entirely myopic with no apparent perceived value in anything beyond the next quarter. From that perspective, if your employees have already created value and you’ve budgeted more than severance would cost (or think you can get away with constructive dismissal), then, for the quarter, getting rid of employees looks like a financial positive.
For some, you get the Jack Walsh thinking that some employees are going to be statistically bad performers, so it is good to get rid of them.
You also have other cases where lowering the time to train means you can expand faster since you don’t need to find quality staff. The original McDonald’s trained its staff to be able to be high output restaurants. The business model changed to needing less worker training to help fuel expansion.
You also have the case where some managers believe some jobs only require a commodity level labor. At that point, there is no value in training.
So tired of hearing that shitstain’s name. I admit there is some wisdom to the up or out approach. You know for very very high level workers. Like C-suite or a rank below. Doing it across the company just promises misery and failure.
Christ…
Sociopathy, lack of long term planning skills, drugs (metaphorical and physical). Some combination of those I suspect.
Wasn’t there a study that said MBAs don’t have object permanence nor a real conscious understanding of the passage of time?
Money today. That’s all these businesses understand.
For the last 10 years when I’ve been asked about my career goals during job interviews I always respond, “I would like to retire.” I then clarify that I don’t mean tomorrow, next year, or even 5 years down the road. I just don’t want to die a wage slave.
What’s the typical reaction to that? Bring honest like that doesn’t sound like a winning strategy, unless you pass it off as a joke maybe.
I don’t say the wage slave part outright like that. I say the part about retiring with a smile like I’m joking but then use the opportunity to point out that I think about and plan for the future and that I’m financially responsible. Then I ask about the company’s benefits package.
Covid made thing weird for a while but my career has had a generally upward trend. My current job is a pretty serious step up for me in both salary and benefits and has a pretty clear path for future progression. I lost out on some of the creativity that I enjoyed in prior positions but I gained more free time to engage with my hobbies.
I’d say it’s been working for me but your mileage may vary based on your delivery and what kind of job you’re interviewing for.
Thanks for taking the time to answer!
she has about $75,000 saved up for a downpayment
Oh you poor child. That’s not even close to enough. 💀
It’ll get somewhere just north of half a million.
So a two bedroom condo. Probably not what most people had in mind for that much work.
Yeah that’s about it where I am but in other places that’s a 2b/2b house with a half acre yard, which isn’t horrible.
I guess that means you can add on to the house. Like one of those shanty towns.
Studio condo here…
It is tho. 75k gets u closed on a 300k house with 20% down basically
LOL I’m never retiring. I’ve already accepted that I’ll be working until I’m dead. There are those who get dealt the right cards and will get to retire comfortably. I’m just not one of them.
