Mine is fresh highschool graduates getting 2 weeks of training to go work acute, all-male forensic psychiatry. We’re taking criminally insane men who are unsafe to put on a unit with criminally insane women.
…and they would send fresh high school graduates (often girls because hospitals in general tend to be female-dominated) in the yoga pants and club makeup they think are proffessional because they literally have 0 previous work experience to sit suicide watch for criminally insane rapists who said they were suicidal because they knew they would send some 18y/o who doesn’t know any better to sit with them. It went about how you would expect the hundreds of times I watched it happen.
My favorite float technician was the 60 year old guy who was super gassy and looked like an off-season Santa. Everybody hated that guy because they said he was super lazy but he would sit suicide watch all fucking shift without complaining and he almost never failed to dissapoint a sex pest who thought they were gonna get some eye candy (or worse).
What’s your example?
Voting.
They dont like this one but its real. Democracy doesn’t work if people vote according to falsehoods they believe. Or rather Democracy doesn’t care if they vote like that. Vote stupid, get stupid.
100% agreed. For me it’s pretty simple; issue the same test you issue immigrants for citizenship. If people can’t pass that, why the hell are they getting involved in the governing of our country?
And I speak as someone who has passed the U.K. citizenship test to acquire U.K. citizenship. It takes 2 weeks of studying one hour/week AND some general understanding of what’s going on in the country. It’s not hard, it just requires a little effort and involvement. Seems a minimum you can expect before people make decisions that affect us all.
Police.
Apparently management positions. The amount of people in such positions that are full of themselves and are hitting terribad descicions at the same time, all the time, never to improve on that. Is terribly high.
Yeah sure, let’s not involve the construction department of the company with that big move you are “planning” for half a year now. Also only realize you need tons of work done before you can even start that move a month ahead of the due date. Then do a terrible job of getting that sorted. And only have the most basic of time plans for the actual move ready a couple days before they are supposed to happen. Make that time window awfully short because you also need those machines to produce again because you failed to plan extra production to create a buffer for intermediate products. Then go ahead and slash that awfully short time plan on the first day because surprise, surprise… You don’t have a buffer of intermediate products and you really need those machines up and running again so that you can push actual finished products out the door. Also hope for the best which is that the machines just start up and run again… Yes as if that ever worked with complicated machines that are also old now and could just fail completely just from getting moved.
Grade A plan…
I was blown away when I was promoted to a management position and realized none of the other managers I worked with read any books on management or had any real experience. Many fell into the management position and just kept doing fuck all.
Not saying the overeducated is better. We later got some Wharton grads who were thrown into the management space and they were the most dumbest MFs I ever met. Their theories would go against reality and at no point did they understand the work involved.
That’s the #1 thing. Managers as a position are incentivized to be overly concerned with their own careers and NOT involving anybody who actually does the work, unless it’s as a scapegoat or to steal credit.
Humble people with natural leadership qualities tend to find such roles disgusting…so we get…managers.
When were we working together???
When firing people is difficult, it’s not infrequent to promote them to hire someone useful to backfill.
Those people keep rising the ladder through seniority and attrition.
They never do anything bad enough to get fired and just make everyone below them miserable cuz they don’t understand the business and like to prove that they’re in charge because of fear of inadequacy.
A lot of management are coming out of “business schools” that are little more than indoctrination. These people don’t know the difference between a leader and a manager and qualify as neither.
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You expected sitters who do the suicide watch at a prison to be well trained? What’d you call it? 🤣 forensic psychiatry?Where I’m at, they let other prisoners watch them… Sounds like you got sold a dream because they have a lot of turn over…
ice cream truck driver
They don’t even look at your application until you fail out of rehab twice
Metro bus driver. One of my relatives got hired, they paid for his driving lessons, then after only a couple of days on the job they let him drive alone
I mean if the driving lessons are properly preparing them, i dont see an issue with that. E.g. in my country it is a couple month full time course to acquire the necessary license.
The driving lessons were okay but the job training wasn’t. They barely taught him anything and gave him a broken bus with stuck brakes
It was a revelation at some point in my young life when I realized that CEOs (and any other executive position) are not the highly trained and capable leaders with grand business acumen that I was led to believe they are. Literally anyone can be a CEO for a few dollars and their name on a business registration with the local government, no training or capability is required.
Horrifying in retrospect to realize how many people lionize executives simply for adopting a title.
Every CEO I’ve worked for, I could do the technical part of their job. I couldn’t do the political part because I’m results and data driven. Their prideful fuckers who yell louder and demand satisfaction and wield their ability to fire you. Fuck CEO 's.
I think it’s great when people create a small business and are successful. But I roll my eyes when they have a business with 20 employees and put their title as President & CEO on shit like linkedin. Just put owner. Or managing partner.
Knew a guy that did that, made some buisness cards and rented a lambo to pick up chicks. It worked shrug
I worked in a bunch of tech.
Startup CEOs are often folks who rolled really high on Charisma and convinced a lot of people to give them money. Often they have a spark of genius, but if they were really smart, they’d hand over power to people smarter than them. That’s how major companies are founded. Then they settle back down.
The dumb ones are egotistical and many end up failing upwards, as they continue being propped up by other until money disappears and they break enough friendships that they end up in jail.
Most CEO positions are just a “boys club” popularity contest…
1 hour video? Ain’t nobody got time for that.
Summarized by AI (ugh):
The “Shipbreakers” YouTube video explores the issue of toxic ships being illegally exported to developing countries for breaking, with a focus on the notorious case of the Norwegian ship, the Tulip. Despite being on Greenpeace’s most toxic list, the ship flies a bogus flag and its first-world owners deny responsibility. Marietta, a character in the video, expresses concern over the double standard of Western countries exporting their toxic waste while refusing to accept it in their own. The video also features Mittu, a shipbreaker who expresses his longing to travel but finds contentment in the present as he watches ships come to be broken down for survival. The scene is accompanied by upbeat singing, highlighting the contrasting emotions of destruction and contentment. The video also shows the dangerous and labor-intensive process of dismantling old ships for scrap, with workers risking accidents and injury to extract valuable resources from the obsolete vessels.
Well. Shit.
There is no requirement that I am aware of for college professors to have any training in the fundamentals of instruction, and it SHOWS.
That’s because professors are still intended to be researchers first, which makes sense for the cutting edge topics, but there’s a ton of college level fundamentals you need to understand first.
Kind of off topic but mildy related. Have you seen the old Val Kilmer movie Real Genius? Just wondering if you find it a fun watch today or not
I really noticed this once I found myself at the community college. The school liked to market that you were educated by “working professionals with industry experience.” which translated to the school paying them less than their second, full-time job on top of all the stuff about them not knowing how to teach while they were in charge of the grading of 20+ classes per semester. Prior to that in my experience I had only ever come across professors who were incredibly passionate about what they were teaching or alternatively were incredibly passionate about teaching-itself. it was eye-opening in the most frustrating way.
This is kind of backwards in the aviation world: There’s a whole separate certificate for flight instructors which involves training in psychology, lesson planning and all that in addition to stuff like flying the plane from the right seat, spin training and all that. Thing is, it’s often baby’s first aviation job. A lot of flight instructors are freshly minted commercial pilots and their first lesson is their first revenue flight. You don’t get to go fly jets for the charters and airlines without experience, and where do you get experience? flying smaller, less expensive aircraft. What’s the single biggest demand for pilots flying smaller, less expensive aircraft? Flight schools.
I aspired to work in education in college and took a lot of courses on adult education and how to teach people. I recognized that my favorite teachers in K-12 used those techniques , while realizing none of it was done at the college level.
I don’t work in education but I find myself using those techniques all the time in the workplace. And there’s a clear difference between my department’s onboarding and capabilities versus others.
9/10 of my graduate professors couldn’t profess their way out of a paper bag. The actually good teachers were limited because they didn’t research enough. Fuck grad school.
Judges… The fact they aren’t required to have gone through law school is horrifying.
This is somewhat location specific, each American state has their own rules for the judges, and some require law school and legal experience.
In what country are they not required to have gone through law school?
I’m guessing 'Murica
In France we you appeal you get judged by other citizens drawn at random. One of the best systems we have
Not trying to be a jerk. Please take this as kindly as it is meant.
The past tense of “draw” is “drawn.” It is an irregular verb in English.
Silly English.
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Hey! That’s a great scene to remember it by. I’m going to to use this in my lesson about this verb next year. Students will love it.
This didn’t make sense to me until I drew a picture
It’s the difference between past tense, and past participle. “I drew a picture” vs “the picture was drawn”.
Thank you for expanding on my point. “Drawn” is the past participle, which must be used in passive constructions such as the above. “Drew” is simple past tense.
Magistrate Judges can be literally anyone in the US
IIRC, the International Criminal Court. They accept judges that would be qualified in their home country. With the US stepping out of it, one of the ICC’s biggest funders is Japan. They have a history of paneling judges who are just people of the community with no specific legal training . Maybe that works for them, but it meant some unqualified judges were sent to the ICC from Japan. The ICC isn’t in a position to stop them, given the funding situation.
IIRC, the International Criminal Court. They accept judges that would be qualified in their home country. With the US stepping out of it, one of the ICC’s biggest funders is Japan. They have a history of paneling judges who are just people of the community with no specific legal training . Maybe that works for them, but it meant some unqualified judges were sent to the ICC from Japan. The ICC isn’t in a position to stop them, given the funding situation.
While thats technically allowed in Canada. When the Conservative party tried to do it under Harper and then-minister Poilievre to start stacking the court system with cronies, every part of the system raised hell enough for evem those religious nutters to back off.
I wonder if that’s one of those things where everyone thought it didn’t need to be codified, because “of course you would select someone qualified”, until modern politics proved that false
In my state, I see that seems to have held true
There is no law or constitutional provision that states that a judge should have a background as a lawyer, but the governor’s Executive Order states the educational and work experience that a successful candidate should have. (No non-lawyer has advanced to become a judge in modern times.)
The county coroner is an ELECTED position.
I’m a mortician who’s worked substantially with autopsies. To be the county coroner, you do not need a degree, you do not need experience in mortuary science, postmortem science, forensics, pathology, NOTHING. All you need to be the county coroner, is to be popular.
Meanwhile, funeral directors in the USA need to go through years of college and continuing education, because we’re literally the last line of defense when coroners/doctors screw up. I’ve caught dozens of mistakes the coroner has made and I’m sick of it. The most recently was a shaken and bruised baby having cause of death listed as SIDS.
I no longer blindly trust autopsies for accurate cause of death. If the mortician needs 4 years of medical school, the freaking county coroner would should be required for at LEAST that to be elected.
Hey, some places it’s the county Sheriff that’s the coroner… which is also bad.
Sometimes people die in the county jail… and almost every time it’s not needed to perform an autopsy- it’s just natural causes…
The coroner needs to be an impartial medical professional.
Sounds like something from the Old Wild West which somehow was never revised.
Lawmakers rarely update laws. Disability(SSI) hasn’t changed since 1974. The medicaid asset limit is $2,000. If you EVER have more than $2k in your bank, you lose your medical insurance and food. You can’t even pay rent/bills for that small amount. If adjusted for inflation, that $2k would be $13k. That’s enough to pay bills, that’s enough to put a deposit down on a home, that’s enough to do some of the things you could do in 1974 with $2k.
I contacted a Michigan representative about this, and was told they keep the asset limits so low so that only the severely destitute get it… but even the severely destitute can’t afford their bills. SSI pays a whopping $11k a YEAR if you’re permanently disabled, even though they can’t work and paid taxes to protect themselves.
I’m a disability advocate, so very passionate about this.
It must vary by location. I know I’ve never voted for county coroner. After a little digging, it sounds like my county did away with its elected position over a hundred years ago.
… That’s disturbing
I have to admit I often think about sliding into one of these “prestigious but just need to be likeable with no experience” loophole-esque positions…
But instead of acting like I’m “the boss” and pretending to know what I’m talking about while ruining everything, I’d find the best people in the field and make sure I’m listening to them and supporting them in doing their jobs instead.
Just there to keep idiot managers off peoples’ backs and listen to people who actually know what they’re doing.
I imagine that’s “not how it works”…but still.
That’s how it should work.
4 years of medical school and a few years of residency (and maybe fellowship) in pathology. So you’re talking 12 to 16 years of post-high school education because it’s becoming more and more common to have to have a post-bacc or a master’s to get into medical school in the first place.
We have to take additional courses and pass every year, as well as take pandemic response training and mass death psychology/procedure. I even got trained for the ebola outbreak 10 years ago. 2 years of pre-med, 2 years of medical and postmortem science, and a residency which is a minimum of a year, but often longer as it’s based on tasks you have to do. A specified amount of autopsied cases, military cases, decomposition, etc. Then you have to pass your state and LARA exams.
The curriculum included classes for psychology, reconstructive cosmetology, and business law too. I’m a Jill of all trades 😅See, I’m planning on trying to steal your business by going into emergency medicine to be a necromancer. (I have done CPR on people that have actually woken up to complain about it…you cannot convince me that CPR/resuscitation is not necromancy.)
If you want an interesting read, look up cadaveric spasms. I’ve been slapped by a dead body.
Cops
Very much depends where you live.
I think it’s just true for the vast majority of countries, unfortunately. A country has to have a lot of things figured out and done right before it can regulate and train its police force so well that its population doesn’t nearly universally agree with the ACAB sentiment. Or at least doesn’t belive they’re all incompetent.
In Sweden (and most European countries?) you need a two year education (1,5 yr theoretical, 0,5 yr field training) before you can work as a police officer. I think in parts of US the training is just a matter of weeks/months, which is very little considering the situations one need to handle.
While Europe is far ahead in terms of training for police, I don’t think even 4 years is enough.
It’s 3 years here in Germany. Seems like some cops in the US are little more than hired thugs.
Or a little less.
That might lead to competency. We don’t do that here.
A position making engineering disposition decisions on hardware that do not meet print. Sometimes, using the hardware can be ok with robust technical analysis to make sure there will be no impact to function or life of the part or the system it’s going into. It’s typically a seasoned engineer with a good understanding of the specific product, and a title/position high enough they can stand up to pressures.
A supplier I worked with recently put a green engineer fresh out of college in the role. He was pressured to allow stuff out the door so the company could hit monthly delivery and $ targets. He never should have approved certain parts but didn’t have the technical knowledge, nor the confidence and reputation and leadership support to stand up to the people trying to ship bad product. The function was made useless by their decision to put him in the role, and he’s also developing terrible engineering habits that are going to haunt him.
There’s some excellent analogues in the Healthcare industry, particularly allowing new nurses to train each other. There’s basic standard practice things going completely ignored because they’re just not getting passed down. They’re not getting passed down because admin types are pushing the people who know those things out of their roles (experience costs $$) before they can pass that knowledge on. It’s a mess. And, as you say, experienced professionals have earned enough respect and have enough confidence their practice to call admin on their bullshit (I’m running into a lot of this lately, and am starting to get pushed out myself).
For me it is people making food, supplements, and drugs. From their production to their quality department. Just full of people that have no idea what they are doing and making poor decisions. That’s not even to mention the management and owners.
Bonus: Home inspectors / mold remediation “professionals”. Absolutely clueless.
The mold remediation is something I was forced to deal with at our 2nd house we bought, was a foreclosured place that had been sitting, bank wouldn’t sell it until the mold in the basement was taken care of, the “professionals” the bank hired, literally were 2 young kids probably 19 or 20, that came in and just ripped out all the drywall and tossed it in the driveway, then left all the wall studs still covered in mold, in. Told the bank they were done and the bank agreed with it. I don’t know how much they paid them but it wasn’t worth more than the 2 hours of labor to demo some drywall.
They are supposed to take air samples before and after a remediation to show that the mold is decreasing. This includes lots of fans and can even include ozone treatment. Unfortunately I know some companies will fake test results to get a client. We’re talking pre and post remediation. It’s a super shady business. I would always recommend multiple opinions.
Yea they didn’t do shit, but we wanted the house, so we just didn’t really care. I ended up gutting the basement anyways and rebuilding everything properly, but yea the bank got completely screwed dealing with them.
My partner works in food service and always comments that despite what conservative Kens and Karens think, you really don’t want adolescents to be the primary handlers of things you put inside your body, especially not that last little bit where they’re supposed to cook off all the bacteria and viruses.
Pharm tech licensing varies wiiiiidely across the states. Some require natl very, some require basically on job training IIRC.
RPh not so much, but tech also has responsibility not to kill you with a misfill and more eyes are always good for preventing deaths.
The shit wages they pay in relation to being responsible in part for safety and accuracy (in retail) is a big part of why most retail is dangerously understaffed.
Same for insurance agents and real estate agents in many (most?) of US. HS, a couple weeks of “teaching to the test,” and a test is all it takes. Rote memorisation. - lots of those younger folks in insurance couldn’t define what they may/may not say/promise, or who is an “Insured” under a given policy.
