…in the USA.
A key piece of information missing from the title, which made it a waste of my time.
I don’t live in that country, and while I feel very much for the plight of any foreign education system in distress, I must focus my energy on things upon which I can affect positive change.
I mean… It’s probably also true in Europe
Ah yes Europe, my favorite singularly governed country.
By that, I meant “It’s probably also true in European countries”. You must be fun at parties.
I am, thanks! I’m willing to bet this is happening in Asia too. Probably not Antarctica though.
Teachers are fairly decently paid where I live but the job is shit so nobody wants it. They don’t employ enough teachers so everyone is being worked to death, and they keep adding new admin tasks, reporting tools, standardised tests, etc that makes everything worse. Also they keep doing stupid reorganisations all the time.
I agree that it’s not one of the worst paid jobs overall, but if you apply the logic of the headline, I’m pretty sure no teacher in Europe can buy a house with their income
*in the greatest parts of europe, aka the balkans (how is the slovenian school system still decent?)
No problem! Every kindergartner knows, the teacher lives at school!
Every teacher I know makes almost twice what I do and gets the whole summer off. Stop with this bullshit coverage. The rest of us need a raise before teachers do. Why the fuck are they the hill we die on? There’s more of us suffering than them…
Weird every teacher I know makes dog shit money and the school district still expects them to cover classroom supply shortages out of their own pocket.
Also rising waters lifts all boats. Arguing that some other group shouldn’t see life improvements just means someone worse than you is making the same dumb argument against you while the wealthy are happy to pit you against each other and keep your money.
Who is “us”?
Well, it depends on the country and it’s politics.
Your comment and post history is clear evidence as to why teacher pay need to increase: to enable better educational and job and opportunities to young people in the United States.
Headlines like this are a good reminder of my prime directive: Don’t donate money to political parties. Both Harries and Trump have billionaires in their corner and they don’t need your money.
Instead, donate to your friends’ mutual aid requests or invest it in your own stocks and investments. These candidates aren’t going to do anything meaningful to change your station in life, but they will make a trillion dollars appear out of thin air overnight to avoid a major drop in the stock market.
they will make a trillion dollars appear out of thin air overnight
that’s the federal reserve, which does what it wants and doesn’t answer to anyone, including the president
The fed chairman is nominated by the president… But more importantly the fed and the president almost never disagree, even under different presidents. That’s because every president is first and foremost a servant of capital.
Thank you for adding information to my post. Have a nice evening.
NO KINGS, NO GODS, ONLY FEDS.
Let me pop in as a high school teacher in the US. I make decent pay, but it took me over a decade climbing the pay ladder to reach this point. It’s only been in the last five years that I’ve made enough to afford the mortgage on a house (well, prior to all of the rate hikes, but that’s another issue entirely). But there’s another problem: You’re expected to put in 10% of the value (even with first-time buyer incentives) as a down payment (I last looked with any seriousness in '22). I have yet to be able to put away 5% of the average costs in my region, much less 10%. Every time I start building back up, other costs drain most or all of that within a year or two. Unless the housing market bursts big time, I’m not likely to be able to afford a home anytime soon. Note: I would rather keep renting than take a variable-rate mortgage; the last three years have seen previously affordable mortgages with variable rates go sky-high.
FYI, it’s a long shot because there’s not much availability, but HUD homestore will give teachers half off the list price of a house in its “good neighbor program” (aka in a rougher neighborhood ) if you stay there for 3 years.
In addition, I think you need lower down payments for houses in general through HUD.
We would have to first value education, and that counts for parents and home life as well.
Instead, we’re at war with education trying to water it down as much as possible if not outright eliminate it.
We do value education. Look at how much people are willing to pay for private school when they can afford it.
We just don’t value education of other people’s children. That wouldn’t be a good competitive advantage for our own spawn.
Or so many people think. I personally love the idea of education for everyone as it means fewer people resorting to crime with no other option. But an educated populace is a threat to many powerful institutions, so they convince their sheep to vote against it.
We’re paying like 15k/yr per student. More in lots of places. We’re paying shitloads to educate other people’s children.
I have no kids, but I want strong education…
Because I don’t want to live in a society where everyone’s fucking stupid
If everyone thought like you, we’d have a much better country.
The wild thing is that it gets even worse at the college level. Adjuncts get like $25k per year. It’s not much better for temporary faculty, etc. It’s a steep pyramid with admins and football coaches far away at the top.
My side gig is teaching at a major university as part of a third-party contract with outside businesses. I’m still university faculty, so have to do all the HR training, maintain my credentials, etc, but my pay is a little different…
The university literally doesn’t pay us for the classes. The syltudents have to pay a $215 “lab fee” directly to us that’s split between me and the business. So I get paid $107.50 person student per semester while the University gets paid about $3,000. Our business provides the staff, facilities, course materials, and even the liability insurance, so the university’s only real expenses are having the course listed and taking the tuition money.
My official title at the University is “Lecturer : Unpaid”
Average cop starting pay is significantly more than teachers. Which one requires the education? Which one contributes more to society?
My firefighter/emt job I’m at 54 hours a week starts at $41k a year. That’s after getting all the certs and all the ongoing training and emt refresher classes etc. Most of us work two jobs.
Most of us work two jobs.
This is what I think about every time the soundbyte about Biden creating 16,000,000 jobs is played. How many of those are second or third jobs?
Probably most, because nothing meaningful has been done to curb inflation, price gouging on rent, and progress toward living wages.
Biden spent roughly a trillion dollars of increased-corporate-tax money on domestic manufacturing, and armed the NLRB to meaningfully fight for unions which enabled them to backstop a lot of the union gains that have suddenly magically happened over the last few years. There was actually a court battle because he fired the corporate hack who had Trump put in charge of it on his very first day.
Interesting factoid: if those jobs were created by Trump they’d all be 1st jobs and pay enough to house and feed a family of 4
/s
Cops should be paid a lot, but the danger should be part of the job and risk. I’m thinking specifically of those Uvalde cowards who did nothing and let kids get killed. Their job should be the risk, to take the bullets, so as to save and help the innocent. That’s the risk they should take, and get paid well specifically for that.
Many of our cops are overweight lazy traffic cops who give poor people speeding tickets who are late for their shitty job they can’t afford to be late to. Or parking wrong, or whatever.
Teachers deserve a lot more too, way more for different reasons obviously. Unless they’re forcing some religious nonsense poison into the minds of growing kids, fuck that.
Exactly
Underpaying cops is what leads to Uvalde. Have high standards, throw the fuckin book at cops who abuse their power, and pay the rest of them properly. Cops, teachers, construction, bus drivers, all the people who make things operate should get paid a fuckin living wage, and the jobs that are skilled in addition (I.e. most of those) should be able to demand a higher wage and limit the people who’re allowed to do it to the people who can do it properly.
all the people who make things operate should get paid a fuckin living wage
Agreed. Unfortunately, it’s just not going to happen in America. This entire country is founded on the principle of extracting as much value from labor as possible without compensating them fairly.
The best place to live I have ever been aware of in history was the US during the post-labor-movement environment of the 1940s through 1970s (for the white people). We just gotta have a second one of those that’s capable to demand that again, and extend it to all races.
Nothing’s inherently wrong with the US governmental system; the economic system just tends to get out of whack (and also distort the government along with everything else) if there isn’t a strong labor movement keeping it the fuck in check.
the US during the post-labor-movement environment of the 1940s through 1970s
Uh, there might have been something else going on during that time period besides the labor movement - like a war and the consequent near-destruction of the rest of the industrialized world.
It’s not possible to extend racist privilege to everybody because racist privilege depends on racism.
if there isn’t a strong labor movement keeping it the fuck in check.
Agreed.
Maybe the best thing about how awful the last two presidents have been for working people is that unions had to become stronger and more aggressive by necessity, and they did.
I realize Biden said a few things and has performatively supported unions.
I give Democrats credit for their actions, not broken promises and pretending that they are powerless. (Particularly so in a time when they have control of two branches of government.)
I’m sorry if that offends your sensibilities, but I live in a country where my 80 year-old parents have to work for DoorDash (using my car) or starve. I’m disinclined to be affected by mere words anymore.
Underpaying cops is what leads to Uvalde
40% of the city budget isn’t enough? smh.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/examining-uvaldes-police-spending/
throw the fuckin book at cops who abuse their power,
Who are you talking to? In actual reality the police almost never investigate themselves.
You need to read the fact check you sent me. It explains that the actual number is much lower.
In actual reality the police almost never investigate themselves.
In some departments, that’s true. I am proposing that fixing that is a high priority. I think it’s been reformed to a pretty substantial degree already, though – most of these conversations about cops doing something fucked up, in the modern day, come alongside them getting charges because of the fucked up thing that they did.
That didn’t used to be true, and more is needed, yes, but the old days where it would never happen are definitely not true anymore.
It explains that the actual number is much lower.
You don’t want to include the number though? It’s 40% of general fund and like 20% of total budget. How much more do you want?
And uvalde is only making very small changes after a huge failure. Other PDs are doing far far less, more likely nothing.
You said 40% of the city budget. It’s 17% of the city budget. Don’t throw out random numbers that are distorted into the shape of the reality you would like to perceive.
Other PDs are doing far far less, more likely nothing.
Your assertion is that Uvalde is at the leading cutting edge of the best departments in the country?
Being a cop is mostly dangerous for those around the cop.
I am somewhat shocked that teachers could start affording houses if you doubled their pay. Maybe like a house in a shitty neighborhood in conjunction with a partner… maybe. I don’t really know but if I had to guess I would say it’s like $40k income for teachers and $150k family income to afford a house.
This varies heavily state to state and even district to district, but generally after you’ve been teaching for a while, you’ll be making ok money. The issue is how low starting pay is and how long it takes to get to that point, often 10+ years. 10+ years where you’re scraping to get by and don’t really have the ability to set any money aside.
Yeah makes sense. Good thing that this critical role for our society is done by people who basically have to live in their cars for a few years. No way that could go wrong.
Everyone’s pay.
Housing affordability is totally out of wack. You can’t base pay on that.
It’s not totally out of wack for those profiting. In fact almost unaffordable housing is the goal of those who control housing. The idea is to find out what people absolutely can’t afford to pay for their basic human needs, then lower the price by a few bucks.
Why not? It’s a thing that factors into cost of living.
What’s the alternative? Just wait until economists have declared the housing market is at some baseline of normalcy before determining pay? Do you really fail to see how rediculous that would be?
housing is a core part of being a functional human. get your head out of your ass
In America, we have collectively decided that we prefer our teachers to be poor and starving, that way our kids stay stupid and can be good little wage slaves.
“iT’s A vOCaTIoN” (you should work as a volunteer!)
I’m amazed it’s not triple.
Triple would just mean they would have a chance with proper savings and enjoying the perks of having disposable income while continuing to educate and create the future members of a society, that’s asking too much.
Stop corporations from buying homes and prices will normalize.
The majority of landlords are actually mom and pop owners though.
Those mom and pop owners need to stop hoarding housing so that millennials and zoomers can finally get out of their apartments and rentals
It’s a slim majority, and a $300billion/year industry. It would certainly have a normalizing effect.
The majority of search engines is not Google.
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The majority of units are owned by individual “mom and pop” landlords. I’ve seen estimates of corporate landlord ownership of the market as low as 15%.
I’m against Blackrock owning homes but they exacerbated the problem, not create it.
punish them for trying. we live in a culture of violence, anything less than staggering exemplary violence is inadequate.
people have already died over this, I just want some of them to be guilty.
US Teachers should have optional free on-campus housing. Single dorms & free high quality cafeteria food.
The general problem with housing as a job benefit is that it makes you even more dependent on that particular job. It’s the same problem as with employer-provided health care.
