I love .ml and it’s where I go when I’m in the right mood. Maybe it’s not for everyone, but I say meet .ml halfway.
Right you are, I am almost complete opposite end of political compass from .ml but still end up having interesting discussions and finding commonalities. To me .world is where the echo chamber dwelling momos live.
What’s a better way to make our little community bigger and better that having pesky antagonisms over every little difference we can find.
We better centralize over a single instance of people thinking exactly like we do.
Big /S by the way.
And I’m not even from .ml but come’on, we share more than we disagree on.
The .ml instance has deliberately overt bias and will literally ban you for not agreeing with their interpretation of Marxist-Leninist communism.
Bad faith “conversation” is their thing.
Many of their communities are becoming “the Donald” type situations.
You choose to socialize and mingle with who you want
The .ml instance has deliberately overt bias
My guy, you’re posting in a thread that’s just Overt Bias + Meme. I don’t think anyone here has room to talk
This is a meme.
I also don’t see anyone running around spouting misinformation here and deliberately misinterpreting history.
I also don’t see anyone get banned for their opinions here.
I got banned from a .ml meme/comic sub the other day for knowing more about world history than they did.
For calling the outright misinformation what it was and just generally not agreeing with them
Many .ml communities are becoming (or already are) their own little the_donald type communities.
How is that different from say news on .world?
They both ban on ideology.
I fully expect the MAGA mentality is fully transferable to any other far-left ideological group with a purity doctrine that is exclusive and abusive to outsiders.
This mentality is actually ideologically agnostic and will ride any wave it can to feed the emotional needs of the adherent.
ML is run by tankies, who historically infiltrate, corrupt, and eliminate anarchist projects with anti-socialist, anti-communist, and hierarchical methods and motivations. MLs are to Anarchists as a tapeworm is to a cow.
I disagree.
I’ve worked in actual political projects in the streets. And I haven’t found that.
You can be forever reading online why some people are the evil incarnated. But when you met and work with people for a common goal reality tend to be better.
Judging without truly knowing is one of the things we all should be striving to avoid. There are wonderful people everywhere.
I would recommend yo actually go participate in some common local political protects of you can find some. For me it was eye opening to see that despite one or two things we have common goals, objectives and very likewise minds.
I also refuse to participate in the endless split of the leftist space, and the never ending false divisions that only weaken us. So for a long time I’ve refused to identify with any particular leftist group. I am just for the common benefit of humandkind and will welcome anyone with the same goal.
I don’t know why you are using in person community praxis as a refutation of an online space being toxic
Real life isn’t online, the issue is an online space being shitty
I don’t find .ml specially toxic or shitty. I certainly hasn’t been called “asshole” by any .ml user or in any .ml space recently. Couldn’t say the same for other instances… There are wonderful people everywhere, and sadly bad people everywhere too. As far as .ml .world or any other of these big instances I don’t appreciate any more toxicity in one place or other.
You’re assuming a lot about me, typical of tankie apologia. You assert these things without evidence defying my own experience and the wisdom of history. Why should anyone trust you, and even if you’re not making it up, why should we ignore the weight of evidence that lies beyond your anecdotes?
You do you. I refuse to keep weakening our common political space for nothing. Because that’s what we’ll get if we keep dividing. Nothing.
You sound like an appeaser. If you want an imperfect ally, I recommend liberals. Less dishonest and not as likely to round you up in the middle of the night and put a bullet in your head. Liberals are also more numerous than tankies, less indoctrinated, and not usually as politically aware which makes them easier to educate. There’s no reason to side with tankies over liberals. Tankies also famously divide the left from liberals, probably because they realize if Anarchists can unite against their common enemy with liberals the tankies can’t leverage power away from the Anarchists.
Tankies aren’t even leftists, so don’t pretend that their spaces are leftist spaces.
Got any more names to call me? I’ve already got called tankie apologist, appeaser, anything else?. You have lots of names for those who think different than you. Also lots of hate, sorry for that.
You choose your allies. But don’t deny people working for the betterment of the working clase the name of leftists, please.
Edit: I just realized that by liberals you probably mean American liberals, democratic party and such?, not economic liberals? It can be confusing from people elsewhere. Anyway, american “liberals” let’s say the democratic party is cool in my book. Afaik also working for the betterment of their people. But not American so people over there may have a better understanding of those. Where I live the equivalent would probably be the socdems, which are of course allies of mine.
names to call me
I said what you sounded like and what your rhetoric was typical of, I didn’t call you any names. Here’s an actual name for you in particular: You are an asshole. You tried to call me out, assumed things of me that weren’t true, and now you’re pretending that I’m treating you unreasonably. Fuck all the way off.
Recently changed from Lemmy.today to Lemmy.world because all the CCP communities like Hexbear blocked me so I can’t downvote and tell them off for promoting actual propaganda and misinformation.
Hexbear doesn’t even have down votes, you were doing nothing
I can influence the feeds they show up in by downvoting.
Interesting that you interpreted a dislike of something as “bursting their bubble”. Have you considered alternative explanations that are actually correct?
There are leftists of many stripes in the fediverse, if a discussion on Lemmy.ml ruffles ones feathers because of the predominant politics of their users then yes, it sounds like someone’s precious bubble was burst.
Eh… nah.
Lemmy.Ml admins are delicate little snowflakes that ban any deviation from their narrative of choice
Like popping their pimple
I want to, but the last time I did I got a rightist.
I haven’t found Lemmy.ml to be all that objectionable. It’s not like they are hexbear.
stick to the linux subs and you’ll be ok over there. As soon as politics comes up, they go full tankie.
In fairness they probably find the Lemmy.world politics subs equally as divisive.
I stick clear of politics on Lemmy all together unless I really can’t hold my tongue
Check the mod logs from the shit communities there. They will full on ban you just for having a liberal perspective.
That place is hot garbage.
I’ve seen one of their users say it’s ok for middle eastern countries to oppress LGBTQ people in an LGBTQ community. Haven’t seen much else from there because that’s when I decided the ml instances were more trouble than their worth and blocked them.
Wait until you see there thoughts on the evils of the west. They spout out propaganda and don’t do a lot of free thinking.
Not to say that regurgitated propaganda is unique to communism but it certainly is very common. It is the cold war way of thinking.
As long as your sick to non political or historical communities, they are tolerable. Any deviation from above and you might as well be on hexbear.
So then why not just block those subs?
I did block entire hexbear and specific communities on ml. I just meant subjects in general.
Hex-bear is the reason I’m on Lemmy.world. That’s why I think people are overblowing the .ML drama.
You want to see tankies? Look at Hexbear
It is definitely worse on hexbear. However, if you look at the top posts on Lemmy.ml it is pretty bad.
No they are tankies. I got banned from the comics sub for criticizing a comic that gave a, to put it nicely, very one sided perspective on communism.
Communist != Tankie.
Communism is explicitly an economic framework. “Tankie” defines authoritarians who believe in the Communist economic framework. That leaves a lot of room for all other sorts of Communists.
Yes, we know. .ml are authoritarian boot suckers.
True, but only tankies remove/ban you if you’re even mildly critical of China or Russia
In my experience you can’t have one without the other. To be a communist you need to completely ignore the issues with it. Communism isn’t successful without prohibiting the spread of information. Even then it breaks down after a few decades. It is more about hiding the state of things and crushing descent.
I’m far from a noted communist and I’m pretty sure none of those things are definitionally related to communism. Why would a diminishing of public property necessitate prohibiting the spread of information?
You know, that would be a worthwhile discussion to have; but that hinges on the mods not banning and removing the comments of anyone with a critical perspective. As of now, this is not possible on lemmy.ml.
Also doesn’t seem possible on world
Too most on world tankie just means someone I don’t like
Tankie was coined by trotskyists to insult a slightly different kind of Leninist. Then anarchists picked it up and started calling trotskyists tankies. Now liberals call anarchists tankies. It’s the circle of life, in a few years if you say tankie people will assume you’re talking about Kamala Harris.
This is true if you ignore what words mean
i thought tankie was universally accepted to just be a russia dick sucker but also commie. Why would this ever be applied to anarchists? That’s so vastly different i couldn’t see a world where that would even make sense.
From a liberal perspective what’s the difference between MLs having “critical support” for the Soviets or China and anarchists celebrating historical anarchists like Makhno and the CNT-FAI who burned churches and killed kulaks too? If anarchists are online supporting US foreign policy then liberals can assume you’re just a liberal and any claimed anarchism is just larping, but if anybody throws a brick through a Starbucks window that’s tankie authoritarianism stealing rights and freedoms from the Starbucks shareholders.
the most obvious difference is that the soviet union and china are massive government entities.
Most anarchists don’t really give a shit about much outside of the general tenants of anarchist structure. I for example like it because it’s like libertarianism but if it wasn’t stupid, and it’s also equally as much of a shitpost. Personally i believe anarchy is the state of government between two significant governmental entities, i don’t believe that anarchy holds a true state of power, merely an independent one.
I think that’s where its strength lies, it can be extremely decentralized and extremely productive when correctly utilized. It can very quickly spring up where needed, and very quickly break down when something more complete shows up to the party. It’s a lot more relevant on the individual to individual basis, as opposed to governments which often tend to overreach or extend past what they realistically should be doing. So it’s a nice stand in in that regard.
one thing i’ve noticed, is that a lot of “tankies” will be kind of, stupid for lack of a nicer term, they might believe that the russian government is the best, or the russian military is the strongest in the world for example. Which is not only silly, but arguably wrong. Anarchists don’t generally do this kind of thing. We’re a lot less directly ingrained with these sorts of power structures on a fundamental level.
Granted a lot of us are political active, as is the norm for political types, like i said we aren’t extremely attached to any one thing. I’m sure there are people in my instance who would disagree with what i’ve said, but that’s part of anarchism IMO. It doesn’t really ascribe anything in particular.
you can also look into this instance specifically, as it’s anarchy adjacent. There’s some fun stuff over here.
Try criticizing China’s government on one of their posts.
Criticizing the Chinese government is xenophobia! Straight to the gulag.
Happy cake day !
I’ll have you know that China is the greatest nation on earth.
Those people totally deserved to be silenced, jailed or killed. The Chinese government is the one trustworthy source of truth. Reality it mistaken.
Your Honor, I rest my case.
You don’t even have to. Most the time they’ll take whatever innocent topic/comment at had and somehow twist it into Russia/China Good, America/West bad.
Sometimes they delete them silently and purge the mod log. I received a message from an admin once telling me that they don’t know how, but somehow another admin had hidden my comment from everyone else without notifying me that it had been removed, and purged the logs. I could still see it, but nobody else could.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
We’ve always been at war with Ba Sing Se.
They would never do that in China.
Even Hexbear has interesting content sometimes. Also, they have great stickers.
I don’t get this animosity between instances. That’s why I’m on lemm.ee: it feels like the capibara instance.
This post pretty much sums up my problems with .ml
Just an example of mod tools in action…
They’re not as bad as Hexbear, sure, but they’re constantly turning everything into a political discussion.
After spending a bit of time on communities based on their instance, you just get so sick of hearing about it.
Hexbear are vile, ML are just annoying.
Why are they vile?
Go visit and see for yourself.
hexbear is a circle jerk of neo tankie ass shittery.
If you show up in hexbear, and say literally anything moderately outside the scope of discussion you cop an immediate ban and get told to kys by like 12 people in about 12 seconds.
That was my experience at least.
Why do you love genocide?
I’ve had comments deleted that ran against the grain at .ml, even when they were adequately sourced. I don’t think the instance is necessarily objectionable, but the mods will object to things they don’t want to hear.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a comment deleted there, but I blocked the instance anyway. Life is too short to engage with people whose values are entirely antithetical to my own. At least not on their home turf.
I’m subbed to a handful of communities in .ml and it’s not that bad. I consider myself communist, but not of the tankie flavor. Authoritarianism is never a good thing.
If people don’t like those views, they shouldn’t wade in unless they’re willing to have a grounded conversation and not just drop a played out one-liner. I think the most recent uptick in complaints about .ml are because of how often it criticizes liberalism.
Lemmy instances are essentially forums. If I go to a conservative community and tell them all that Marx was right all along, I’m not gonna be surprised when I get banned. Complaining about mods is a tale as old as time itself.
Yeah lets ban discussion too eh.
That’s how I see .ml because you have to be in the cult and not question anything or get banned.
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Angry because you don’t want to see content from Lemmy.ml
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Angry because they don’t want to see your content either
:-/
Didn’t say that, like at all.
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The alternatives are that you find other servers to post on, or you go back to corporate-controlled websites (which would honestly be silly with the amount of Lemmy instances that exist now). So if you commonly find yourself at odds with the subject matter, you can post elsewhere. I’m sure there’s some conservative/other flavor Lemmy communities out there that function the same way. That’s the beauty of the open internet, but it also means people can ban you for whatever reasons they want and there are no repercussions.
So you wade in at your own risk, which you’re doing either way because there is no strict corporate structure overseeing the rules. It doesn’t mean that every decision people running those sites make is suddenly good, but you at least have freedom of choice when it comes to what servers and communities fit for you. Just like instance runners like myself can also decide which servers to federate with, while blocking others.
Try saying anything negative of Putin/Russia (apparently also China/Xi) and you’ll see how pro-authoritarian and heavily censored their threads are. I know because that’s what got me banned from the privacy ml sub last week!
Edit: found exact comment from modlog which states ban was for violating rule 2 = “Be respectful” (i.e. anything the mods disagree with).
Nothing. OP is a tankie / Russian PsyOps operative. If you care about a Russian billionaire who’s surveillance capitalism platform refuses to even acknowledge requests to remove criminals, you deserve to live under the boot of Russia’s authoritarian Kleptocracy. Save your energy for the **_actual_** wars on encryption and privacy that western plutocrats and capitalism are waging under the lie of Freedom™️.
They literally censor comments even in non political Communities.
Lemmy.ml is just a Propaganda-Machine.
I’m the type that will leave views up so the conversation can happen, unless the comment is racist, homophobic, blatantly trolling, etc. I’ve read the Lemmy.ml rules and they’re pretty rudimentary, so idk what some of their mods are doing.
That said, this is what happens when people have control of their communities vs a corporation. The positive is that there are tons of servers with similar communities. If you’re not of the communist flavor, it’s probably a community that will constantly be at odds with.
I got banned there for stating an opinion and at that point I don’t really know what to do anymore. You have a handful of people who spout their one sided talking points into the void (probably) and if anyone says anything, they get banned.
They can have their bubble there but aren’t bubbles the fundamental problem of social media?
So they do nothing about broader and fundamental problems of social media which they should do as alternative social media platform.
“Amazing discussion” 😳
The instance and it’s mods suck, but the people having discussions there come from all over. Federation n all…
Related to several other replies: Why are you people looking at political discussions on the internet? Isn’t that quite depressing? I am subscribed to basically every popular community across instances excluding anything with the words “politics” and “news” in it’s name.
And I think some of you should try not subscribing to any news or politics as well, no matter your ideology. I’m starting to get concerned for some of the people on this platform.
Lemmy could really do with the ability to transfer an account to a new instance. The only reason I’m still on lemmy.world is because I can’t be bothered to set up an account on another instance that may be as insufferable.
As for communities, Lemmy just isn’t large enough to be picky. World is the biggest instance, but is still dead on anything that’s not either a Reddit clone or a popular community.
There is an export feature that will spit out a json file and you can import it to a new instance. It will carry over your subbed communities and blocked accounts. I use it to sync accounts on different instances (My instance can be slow sometimes)
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How can I block instances on Lemmy?
The app I use had the ability, I imagine you could do it through your user profile on the web as well.
I use voyager for iOS so if you fall into that bucket I’ll happily help.
I’m currently on Voyager as well but I can’t really seem to find it.
Settings -> filters and blocks -> scroll down to
instance blocksand add it there.But of course only block the entire instance of your own free will my dude, you will of course lose access to “content”
Thanks a lot! I just blocked .ml and hexbear since I’m kinda sick of seeing their bs.
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I don’t know. What’s the problem with lemmy.ml?
Mostly militant tankie mods in worldnews@lemmy.ml. The rest of the instance is fine actually; Their admins aren’t as zealous.
The admins are actually pretty chill. They leave the moderation to the mods. That can be really good or really bad.
It is decently well know that they are communist. They don’t go around forcing there views on others though. I respect them for that.
Yeah, that’s what I mean, the admins aren’t forcing their ideas on people, it’s just the mods.
It’s full of originally stupidly pro-communist, now joined by the stupidly anti-communist people. Most of their discussions are “communism good you dumb” and “communism bad you dumb”, with a bunch of kindergarten level gotchas.
Any part of any discussion that verges into criticizing Russia or China gets removed by either mods or passing site admins.
Any comment that is anti-the-West gets a pass no matter how uncivil, inflamatory or dishonest it is.
This only happens on worldnews@lemmy.ml
A few others also. Like memes. https://lemmy.world/post/19190223
Ah ok, fair enough. I’ve only had problems with the world news mods so far, but makes sense that some of the other mods can be bad too.
It happens across the whole instance, it’s an admin level problem. My favorite is when you say something critical of the site admins, Russia, or China and get not only the comment removed, and not just banned from that community, but any other community the particular user moderates
Imagine being that petty- someone disagrees with your chosen political stance, so you go community by community and ban them from every one to protect your fee fees.
Think I’m blowing smoke? See for yourself.
Tankie detected.
??? Explain
Minimizing the pervasiveness and impact of shitty tankie behavior is shitty tankie behavior.
I’m just pointing out the nuance. Broad brush doesn’t help anyone. If you automatically assume everyone from lemmy.ml is a tankie, even though it’s one of the largest instances, and the original Lemmy instance, then you’re doing yourself and all the more moderate users on lemmy.ml a disservice.
I’m very much not minimizing the shittiness of worldnews@lemmy.ml.
“That only happens…” is minimizing no matter how you slice it. Insinuating that I said everyone on .ml is a tankie is also dishonest.
Why? What’s so different between lemmy.world and lemmy.ml (idk what the ml is for)
Different site admins.
Depending on which mods you allow, which sitewide rules you set, and not least how you applu or not apply the rules, you get wildly different instances.
mllemmy
Normalise criticizing both the West and China/Russia for their shit.
Don’t make it your identity to defend horrible shit, anywhere.
Past or Present
Normalise criticizing both the West and China/Russia
But you still have to admit that the West is better. Otherwise you’re doing a Whataboutism
Banned.
Literally
This, but unironically is ml experience
Confirmed! I was banned last week from the privacy ml sub for commenting
something along the lines offound exact comment from modlog which states ban was for violating rule 2 = “Be respectful” (i.e. anything the mods disagree with).Nothing. OP is a tankie / Russian PsyOps operative. If you care about a Russian billionaire who’s surveillance capitalism platform refuses to even acknowledge requests to remove criminals, you deserve to live under the boot of Russia’s authoritarian Kleptocracy. Save your energy for the **_actual_** wars on encryption and privacy that western plutocrats and capitalism are waging under the lie of Freedom™️.
I would argue the tankie instances/subs/users are actually Russian operatives, instead of CCP — same as it always is/was on Reddit.
I genuinely have no idea what this is. I just came here for the cat memes. There are very few cat memes here.
Be the change you want to see in the world!
