How would you answer this, and how would you expect Chinese netizens on Xiaohongshu to answer?
I will link to the thread in the comments because I want you to take a moment and think about it first.
no, infact i think there should not be any china in the future
Please elaborate.
I mean china is an authoritarian state, that kinda thing never works for long
I’m saying this unironically: this comment could go on any dumbass thread about China’s dumbass social media and dumbass AI. I don’t understand why I don’t see it more.
They. Are. Authoritarian.
The reason you don’t see it more is because “authoritarian” isn’t a hard line you can cross, but a general descriptor, and as a consequence many will disagree about the legitimacy of that vague descriptor or believe other countries like the US fit that descriptor better. What do you personally think counts as sufficient to label one country authoritarian, and another not? Can you give an example of each, or is every country authoritarian? Does it matter if some are more or less authoritarian? All of these questions have different answers from person to person, because they apply to a general descriptor and not a hard metric, like “does the PRC have growing wages for the working class?” Or “do Chinese people enioy their system?” Food for thought.
Ok
What’s a non-authoritarian state?
no state at all, I’m a libertarian socialist
libertarian as in capitalist?
They did end up saying AnCapism or Minarchism would be better than current regulated Capitalism. I mean, if that happened to the US Imperialism would be kneecapped, so I suppose that would technically be better for most people.
So when you said “that kinda thing never works for long” you were referencing to any state? I think history has proven you wrong on that one, champ.
just look at rome, or any other empire for that matter, didn’t last for ever, I was talking about the history of humanity, not a few lifetimes
Rome wasn’t a state, and it lasted for many centuries. Don’t try to pretend by “doesn’t work for long” you were talking about geological time or something
Earth first, fuck your countries.
The near future? Yes. Absolutely. The have the best economic and political system so far, and are now building out their military to step into the role of hegemon.
The far future?
Assuming China can crack down on global coal and oil usage and figure out climate change, they’ll be paving the way for communism in a couple of generations. If they can successfully solve these issues, crush the capitalist markets, and still maintain or lower their current level of corruption then communism is inevitable by 2100 at the latest.
This will be the last century of kings and ceos. Either the world ends due to climate change and capitalist greed, or humanity prevails through communism. There isn’t another option left.
The PRC definitely has its problems, but I am especially encouraged by their massive restructuring of their energy grid. I don’t think Communism will come by 2100, but maybe 2150 or 2200, as there are going to be Capitalist holdouts for a long time resisting progress.
Still hoping for that future that’s borderless and red and queer and bold.
We’ll get there.
Real talk, I take comfort in knowing that the high tech future we were promised at the turn of the millennium isn’t dead after all, it’s just happening in China
Not a nationalist, I find this a terrifying thought, but 100%. Unless action is actually taken in the U.S., I don’t think the West stands a chance. China is already in a much stronger position than I think many Westerners realize, they made tremendous gains during the last Trump presidency. If Trump really does cling to power for the rest of his life, I think we’ll see a world where SA, SEA, Africa and parts of Europe are all completely economically reliant on China.
As if it wasn’t like that with USA too
I don’t think it’ll be as bad as mentioned
China is manipulating events to ensure that they are the future, getting Trump to create chaos by proxy through Putin to demonstrate to the world that the US is an unreliable leader/partner. They will make the case that they are a stable world power who can be relied on to stay true to their agreements, and they will point to the chaos that Trump is creating as an example. Trump will turn the US into an economic pariah.
Trump’s rhetoric on taking over Greenland and Canada will also ruffle military alliances and the traditional Western powers will fracture. If the US does make any aggressive moves China will likely support whomever the US targets; economically and policy-wise at first, but potentially with military power to demonstrate that it, unlike Russia, is truly a near-peer adversary of the US. Assuming success, because there will be virtually no will in the US for supporting an actual protracted invasion of another sovereign nation that is causing international problems, China will then lay claim to victory in their first major head-to-head clash with the US. World opinion of the US as the leading superpower will wane, and China will continue to make inroads at taking over leadership of the world economy.
I could see a scenario in which China takes the lead at mediating between Russia and Ukraine and forcing Putin to withdraw, and even declaring that they no longer have any intention of invading Taiwan because they have a greater purpose in leading the world to a new era of peace. That would be the final nail in the coffin for the US politically, and China would do everything it could to ensure that the US was held in-check to keep the dollar weak so that they can never challenge China’s economic leadership again.
No thanks, replacing one imperialist for another won’t help the world.
Can you elaborate? How is the PRC in any way comparable with respect to Imperialism as the United States?
Sure buddy:
Post the video coward.
Tanks stopping when a person blocked their path? And remaining calm even when the person climbs over the tank? Finally the tank driver talking with person calmly?
Their army or atleast the tank driver seems to be very decent.
What do you think happened to all the other 300 murdered protesters that day? Get the fuck out of here with your false naivety.
I linked a video, because we know he’s fine. He talks to the tank driver after climbing up on the tank, then leaves. I don’t think a picture of the PLA showing patience after leaving the square does much for your point.
Yes, hundreds of protestors were killed, PLA officers lynched and burned alive, and more. Nobody denies that. However, showing a dude who we know lived is not the own you think it is, nor does it say anything about US Imperialism being “nicer.” The US at the time was of course preparing for the Gulf War, which would set the stage for US Imperialism to result in 1 million Iraqi deaths under false pretenses of WMDs.
I think you need a hug.
lmao top-tier troll
Why is it funny to satarize a Chinese man as a yellow bear?
Already!
For whatever it’s worth, despite never formally studying Chinese, I managed to read both the Chinese sentences, albeit with the wrong tones. Like to be fair I have studied Japanese, and I am generally a bit of a weirdo with a knack for this sort of thing — but I do still have to wonder if more people are just going to start casually picking up hanzi just from exposure like I have, as China becomes more prominent. I could certainly see it happening.
“China is the future” is a bit of a vague question, though. Just from my interpretation of it…
I absolutely think that the USA is currently crumbling as the world’s hegemon — interestingly enough, the USA’s flag actually has stars on it to represent a “new constellation”, using the constellations in the sky as an allegory for the rise and fall of nations; so it indeed seems like the fifty-star constellation is beginning to fall beyond the horizon, as a new five-star constellation rises.
This being said, I don’t think China’s behavior as future hegemon will be the same as the USA’s current behavior as present hegemon. I don’t necessarily know what to expect from the future, though, so it’s probably best to prepare for all possibilities until we gain a clearer understanding of the situation.
Also, we can’t really know and judge China as the world leader, as they’re not yet.
As soon as you are on top, your behaviour might change. Both for the better, but most likely for the worse. (see US)
Also, we have to remember that China still needs all western partners to keep up their production. They are still a manufacturing country.
As soon as you are on top, your behaviour might change.
It might, it might not. America’s behavior didn’t change; from the start they’ve been aggressive and expansionist, the scope just grew as they became more powerful.
China’s been growing rapidly for decades while very seldomly acting militarily outside their borders. They don’t seem to have expansionist goals outside those declared over 70 years ago (ie Taiwan) and have even negotiated down on border conflicts. It’s not impossible but it’d be strange for China to make a complete about-turn on their stated policy of non-intervention.
China still has a concentration camp and invaded Tibet. If they keep on doing what they’re used to, it will still be bad.
They also support dictatorships like North Korea, and that’s also not a good look.
Then there’s the whole silencing of Hong Kong, and I don’t now enough to say what happened there, so I won’t. Just know something did.
Then there’s the whole silencing of Hong Kong, and I don’t now enough to say what happened there, so I won’t. Just know something did.
I. NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?
It won’t do!
It won’t do!
You must investigate!
You must not talk nonsense!
China hasn’t had a war in over 40 years.
What do you call Tibet then. I know they couldn’t fight back that much, but it’s a literal invasion.
What year do you think it is?
Putting aside everything else, approximately when do you believe that happened?
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who wasremovedd and then had her nose sliced away.23
Earlier visitors to Tibet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,”
Liberating people from inhumanly cruel and merciless theocratic overlords is good actually, and I hope we can cultivate more of that energy here in the US.
Exerpts are from “Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth” by Micheal Parenti. The whole essay is quite good and not very long. https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=88773
Tibet was recognised by every country on the planet as sovereign Chinese territory, both then and today.
(That was also like 70 years ago, China’s last war was against Vietnam in the late 1970s)
The re-education program in Xinjiang seems to have ended already and fulfilled its stated purpose. Tibet had slavery and was semi-feudalist, while the Dalai Lama owned slaves and was working with the CIA. Life expectancy dramatically improved along with many other metrics like literacy rates once the PLA ended slavery and feudalism. For the DPRK, they maintain trade relations with them, the most sanctioned country on the planet and one of the most heavily bombed. HK was a British Colony to be returned to the PRC, and now most Hong Kong residents would rather be integrated with the Chinese economy.
I think you need to investigate more of these topics if you’re going to list them off as points.
I agree
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Don’t know why you’re lionizing anti-communist nationalists as the “true China.” The KMT were brutal nationalists, just because they preceded the Communists doesn’t make siding with far-right nationalists the answer.
Oh, look, a paid shill. What, you think because you work for China instead of Russia that we won’t see what you’re doing? Get the fuck outta here.
classic blueanon
Uh-huh. I have friends in Hong Kong, so fuck off with your tankie bullshit. That mouth of yours is only good for two things: licking boots and fellating murderous autocrats. Quit using it to waste everyone’s time.
What part of my comment indicates that I’m a “paid shill?” Recognizing history?
Taiwan/RoC is not currently ruled by the KMT though. (Nor is today’s KMT very comparable to what they were many decades ago)
The KMT is where the origins of RoC as “true China” come from. Outside of the KMT, there are no claims of the RoC as anything resembling a “legitimate heir to China,” only the KMT as the former rulers of the mainland.
Or they may just be pushing back on the idea that the PRC has legitimate claim to the nation of Taiwan. People online like to say it because they know it upsets the PRC government. Basically, it asks the question, “What makes the PRC any more the “True China” than Taiwan?”
Truthfully, neither nation is “true China”, and neither are the nations that they were years ago. No one in Taiwan today holds any belief that the ROC government is the rightful government of the mainland in exile.
But Taiwan is unable to be widely recognized as a sovereign nation in its own right to this day because the government of the PRC is still sticking to the “manifest destiny” sort of idea that there is a single, ideal land of China rooted in its imperial legacy, which for some reason the current mainland government feels they have an obligation to claim.
Why do you think it upsets the people of the PRC to say that the RoC is “true China?” Do you think it might just have to do with the fact that the far-right nationalists that used to rule China fled there after the Communist revolution? Could it have anything to do with many people of China giving their lives to throw off the KMT?
the CCP was no less far right than the KMT during that era, exemplified by the many genocides they committed and continue to commit against ethnic minorities
Can you elaborate?
I would like to hope no one nation is the future. Replacing one global hegemony with another is not my idea of progress.
I’m onboard with Wales. Let Wales rule for a bit.
In one sense, as a key component of the UK, they already had that chance somewhere between the years of 1600-ish to 1945-ish.
Heh, I think you’ve just pissed off Welsh/Irish/Scottish people with that sentiment.
Ehhhhh we Scots should probably not argue too hard. Unlike the other two we joined mostly-voluntarily and were doing our own small scale empire thing beforehand as well. We were rubbish at it, but I don’t think there are sympathy points for incompetence. The Welsh and Irish definitely got dragged along wthout a say though
Oh my, I can’t even begin to imagine what a Texan or Creole Welsh accent would sound like if that was the international language! 😵💫
*sneezes* *snorts* *coughs* *clears throat* *yodelays*
I’m sorry, what was your question
As an Indian, I think they seem more well-planned and more decent than recent USAmerica.
We have border issues, but I do respect them as I agree with their leftist view of reducing poverty and improving education.I don’t really know anything about China, so I really can’t say.
It would be a good idea to learn a bit, I think, considering that they will play an increasingly large role on the global stage.
