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      I want politics to be something you look at with a sense of boredom vs a sense of dread again. Biden has been great for making politics ‘boring’ again, on top of being a very competent leader.

      Sure, there’s things he has done that I’m not a fan of, but that’s every leader.

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          I personally don’t find regular politics ‘boring’ at all, but I’m a poli sci graduate. Seeing how the sausage gets made regarding legislation is interesting.

          What’s not interesting is these charlatans pretending that congress is the WWE, and trying to enact laws that infringe on the rights of other Americans.

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            By “boring” I mean “We’re going to have a discussion about this and listen to the experts and try to find a way to serve competing interests in a calm and rational manner.”

            No more people SLAMMING other people. No stupid rhetorical games in committee hearings. No assholes shouting at the SOTU. No symbolic protests or virtue signaling. A government made up of people who want to find the right answer and work together. That fairy tale I was told about how it’s supposed to work. Going back to C-SPAN being a cure for insomnia. That’s what I mean by boring.

            And if they do want to slam people we should put a steel cage on the floor of Congress.

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      I like Biden too. He could bring peace to the middle east and defeat Putin, but still his best attribute is that he is not Donald Trump.

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    Man who closed the deal with 43k votes out of 5.7M across three pivotal states happy to report he has well over 80% of his original voter base behind him.

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    Biden won 2020 in spite of being Joe Biden, it’s why it took almost 40 years for him to win his first presidential primary, people just don’t ot want him as president.

    Now that we’ve had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected…

    I really don’t think he can pull out another razor thin win like in 2020.

    We’re risking trump so we can have a Dem president that’s more conservative than Dem voters want.

    There’s no logic behind it, except the donor class would rather have trump than a progressive. And just like AIPAC, they decided it’s easiest to just buy both parties in the primary.

    This is the third election and a row, it’s not going to be different in 2028. If voters only requirement is “blue” then nothing is stopping either party from getting more and more conservative every election

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        People got confused when he ran on a platform that was “nothing will fundamentally change” and thought that meant he would push all the progressive ideas they wanted /s

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          And people up above are literally commenting that Biden is “the most progressive leader” we’ve had in several decades.

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        -Union strike busting

        -Climate acceleration, more highways, more trucks and SUV’s, banning affordable EVs

        -Increased defense spending

        -Higher deportations and now executive order asylum closing

        -Renewed oil and gas leasing on federal lands, and weird restriction on leasing federal lands for renewable energy that more oil and gas leasing has to happen first

        -The longest stretch of no minimum wage increase ever.

        -rampant inflation

        -lack of prosecution for a ton of crimes from Trump and other republicans

        -no effort against Americas problem of gun violence

        -campaigned on fixing a gap in subsidy coverage for health insurance for the lowest earning Americans, with no mention since

        Not even mentioning the biggest problem people have with them, plenty of people have told you already.

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          Roe v. Wade was overturned under his mandate period as well. Sure it’s a Supreme Court decision, and the SC is mostly republican but it’s not like Biden couldn’t have pushed harder. He could, but then he wouldn’t be able to campaign on it.

          “Vote for me and I’ll return some rights to people, maybe.”

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            Yes, it’s all the Democrats’ fault that six Republican appointed justices overturned Roe.

            Bullshit.

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              It is absolutely their fault there are more Republicans in the Supreme Court. Justices aren’t naturally occurring by unpredictable Acts of God.

              It is also RBG’s fault, while we’re at it.

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                Your RGB point is the first one of merit. Sure should have left at an advantageous time.

                The judges were appointed by a majority Republican Congress with a republican president. In what way could democrats stop it?

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                  The majority republican congress and the republican president are also their fault. They’re pretty much the only ones running against them.

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                  Scalia died almost a full year before Obama left office. That was his appointment, but the Dems didn’t bother putting up a fight because they were convinced Clinton would be the next president and wanted to focus on the election. Then in freaking late October 2020, days before the election, they once again allowed another Trump appointment without putting up any sort of fight or stall tactic because they didn’t want to rock the boat before the election.

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        Doesn’t matter, all parent commenter needs to do is say it, and it’s true!

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        “Worse than expected,” depends largely on the individual and what they were expecting. It comes down to expecting one thing and being disappointed in the outcome.

        People who expected him to be an ally of immigrants are disappointed in his border policies.
        People who expected him to fix Trumps “easy” trade wars are disappointed in his trade policies.
        People who expected him to support labor are disappointed in his ban of the railroad workers strike.
        People who expected him to champion human rights are disappointed in his support of the IDF.

        He may have met your expectations and the expectations of the majority of Democrats. Biden’s 2020 victory depended on several groups who only showed up because they hoped that he would address their specific concerns.

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        1. The genocide he’s not just supporting, but now actively involving US military in.

        2. Making trump border policies permanent law.

        3. Not fulfilling campaign promises

        But like, please don’t do that thing where because I didn’t list every little thing, that I’m saying the only issues with Biden are the ones I listed.

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            If you expected #1 and still voted for him…

            I dunno, but at least now people can’t act like they don’t understand how people voted for hitler.

            I expected this shit from republicans, but way too many people who call themselves Dems are just ok with genocide.

            Apparently all it took to get Dems to support genocide, is only give them the option of more genocide?

            And republicans are all about genocide, so now neither party can be counted on to be consistently against genocide?

            What I still don’t understand, is why so many of you are just ok with it.

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              What I don’t understand is knowing this… you still do your best to rally people to either not vote, or vote third party. Look, it’s a shit system. No one here is cheerleading for it. But because so few people chose to be activists in the off years between elections…

              This is what we get when no one cares about politics when it actually matters. No. What we get are single-issue SJWs every election year shouting at everything trying to keep democrat alive while the rest of you whine about… whatever bothers you at the moment. And let’s not even mention the right-wing trolls among you that pretend to support your causes, but are only fanning the flames to prop up their boy.

              And after all this… when the smoke clears in November, when the decision is made- ALL of you will disappear and reroll as victims of whatever that decision is.

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                What I don’t understand is knowing this… you still do your best to rally people to either not vote, or vote third party

                You put that on voters (of which there are millions) but nothing for the DNC or Biden? Maybe 20 people who could give voters what they want?

                Why?

                What we get are single-issue SJWs

                Even while typing this, I know people would still do it…

                But like, please don’t do that thing where because I didn’t list every little thing, that I’m saying the only issues with Biden are the ones I listed.

                Single issue voters are not a really thing.

                But when enough people unify under a common cause, progress can be made. Which is while everytime the common people band together, there’s a couple telling them unity is bad, and they should always break apart and only worry about themselves.

                MLK had some choice words about people that did that. Malcolm had more than words.

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                I don’t understand is knowing this… you still do your best to rally people to either not vote, or vote third party.

                And what I don’t understand is whether this is to help War Criminal Putin or Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump.

                I guess it doesn’t matter it all benefits the same Axis Powers.

                The Axis of Evil

                Treason Trump - War Criminal Putin - Comrade Xi - Monster King Kim Jong Un

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                The one and only way to move the Overton window to the left is for the GOP to keep losing elections over and over and over.

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        I think he’d be worse if you expected him to not support Israel do a genocide, but if you expected that you should have read up on his positions and, frankly, the last 70 years of United States foreign policy.

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        Some people think the entire world and everything in it can be changed on a dime. I have to constantly tell people things take time.

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          So which is it? Other people are saying that if Trump gets reelected, democracy will end instantly.

          Seems like “things take time” only when neoliberal Democrats get criticized for their shitty policy.

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            Progress takes time, effort, and hard work.

            Stagnation (or regression) takes fuck all. It takes fuck all effort to block things. The GOP can do that with control of only one of the 3 (house, senate, presidency). Which they’ve had for 20 of the last 24 years.

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              It takes fuck all effort to block things. The GOP can do that with control of only one of the 3 (house, senate, presidency). Which they’ve had for 20 of the last 24 years.

              That goes both ways, and yet we’ve seen Republicans pass all kinds of vile legislation in that time. If “it takes fuck all effort to block things” then why aren’t Democrats doing that too?

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                What the GOP wants is lack of progress. They want to hit the giant pause button on society. That’s why the GOP benefits more from blocking things. What the Dems want is actual progress - new bills, new laws, new measures. That requires legislation to actually pass. So no, it doesn’t work both ways.

                The most the GOP wants to do is repeal what was already passed, and give tax breaks. It takes fuck all effort to do that. They get one house and they can demand tax breaks or they shut down the government. Or they try to repeal the ACA. They didn’t write a well thought out replacement lol, all they want to do is repeal.

                To actually write and pass progressive legislation takes a ton of actual work, effort, support, and time. And all 3 houses to pass it.

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          A lot of the problems we’re facing are not something we can wait on. Climate change is already going to effectively change our life to an unrecognizable extent, even with a Democrat is charge.

          Perhaps too many people have grown comforted by the inevitable. I’m still a little panicked, and it doesn’t seem like anyone’s doing anything to stop it.

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            A lot of the problems we’re facing are not something we can wait on. Climate change is already going to effectively change our life to an unrecognizable extent,

            Then it is a good thing Biden rules and Convicted Felon Treason Trump drools in his diaper.

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            Did I say we can wait on them? No. I said change takes time. And it does. Can we go out and ask everyone on the planet/US to change out their car for an EV tomorrow? No we can’t. Things take time. Sounds like you should have beef with the people that protested voted against Jimmy Carter, against Gore, and against Hillary. We should have moved the needle a long time ago.

            And there are still other items to be worked on that people demand, like student debt, the economy, unions, chips act, ukraine, etc. Things take time.

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              Why are you talking about things taking time as if we’re slowly progressing in the right direction? Hell no, we’ve been moving in the direction of more gas powered truck and SUV sales, more gas production, more highways, all of it promoted by democrats.

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      Now that we’ve had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected…

      He far exceeded my expectations.

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          • Massive infrastructure bill
          • Student loan forgiveness
          • Marijuana rescheduling

          There’s plenty more, but my expectation was for him to not be Trump which he has thoroughly succeeded at. The rest is icing.

          The biggest things he’s disappointed on, Trump disappoints on too…:

          • Palestine
          • Being too fucking old

          …so it’s easy to see how that on balance he has exceeded expectations…

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              It’s silly to downvote you for wanting the leaders and representatives of a country and its people to be held to a certain standard.

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                I mean, politicians work for us. We’re their boss. They should be working their asses off for the people.

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                  Frankly we should be sacking the whole lot of them for gross misconduct.

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                  Marijuana rescheduling, infrastructure spending, student loan forgiveness, clean drinking water, lowered costs of generic drugs, expanded Medicaid, increased domestic manufacturing, rejoining the Paris agreement, increased nationwide gas mileage requirements, and improved healthcare access for veterans not enough policies for you?

                  edit 3 hours later…

                  return2ozma: “There are policies we can champion that are more than ‘not Trump.’

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            Massive infrastructure bill that just funnels money to companies like Comcast and Spectrum and othet corporations who’ll squander like they have every other time they’ve been given money

            Student loan forgiveness that does nothing to change the insane and continually rising cost of attending college.

            Marijuana rescheduling that does nothing to address the fact that 40 states have already legalized it for medical use and 25 states who’ve legalized it for recreational use.

            This is little more than a bunch of empty gestures and lip service to make it seem like they’re improving things when in reality, very little is changing (and to give people like you hollow talking points to list as accomplisments). This is why so many people don’t even bother to vote anymore because the whole system is stacked against us.

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      Now that we’ve had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected

      Biden’s much better than I expected, after being disappointed in Obama and his poor negotiating skills.

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    Ranked Choice Voting! Find your local RCV group and find ways to help get RCV implemented in your city! It’s something that sees opposition from republicans and democrats so you know it’s good.

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      I’m a fan of STAR voting myself, but anything is better than the first past the post system we have now.

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      My city does ranked choice voting, and it’s great! I would love to see it at the state level.

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        That’s awesome! What city? What was the process for getting it on the ballot and what helped getting it passed?

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          San Francisco has had ranked choice voting since 2004. IIRC they called it “instant run-off voting” and it would save from having a run off election for the mayor and other elected officials.

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      It would be nice if they did that for the Democratic primaries.

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        It’d also be nice if they couldn’t just override the primary election results because it’s not a “real election”

        Yes, I’m still a bit bitter about how the DNC treated Bernie in the 2016 election

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            As you should be as this is part of the reason why Ttump got elected in the first place.

            Yep the same Kremlin propaganda operation that elected Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump also “supported” Bernie to help get Treason Trump elected.

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          It’d also be nice if they couldn’t just override the primary election results because it’s not a “real election”

          That is some Trumpian level of bullshit. They cannot do that because it is against the Charter since the 1950’s. And yes legally the DNC could change their own charter but so can the RNC. Changing party charters to nullify primaries would spell certain doom for that party.

          Yes, I’m still a bit bitter about how the DNC treated Bernie in the 2016 election

          You and the Kremlin are bitter about how the Dem primary voters treated us Bernie supporters in the 2016 election. Got it.

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          Sanders was crushed by Clinton in the 2016 primary elections. It was clear pretty much from the start that she was going to win. You take away all the super delegates, she still demolishes him. Did they show some favoritism towards her? Sure. Did they call him some bad names in private emails? Yes. Did she get a few questions before a debate? Yes. Is there any evidence that the election was rigged and stolen from Sanders? No, none at all.

          This insistence that the Sanders was somehow robbed of the 2016 nomination (or 2020 nomination at that) is equivalent to Trump’s claim that he was robbed in 2020.

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          They did not override that one. Sanders did not even win the non superdelegates. That’s not to say the 2016 Democratic primary was not fucked. Party officials clearly had a preference and were obviously pushing Clinton. Showing the super delegates planned counts before they actually voted made it seem like Sanders had no chance. They need to minimize the number of super delegates so that they can only decide really close primaries.

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      I think ranked choice voting would give us RFK as president

      Edit: that was assuming we had these same candidates only as ranked choice obviously we would have more candidates

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      Ranked choice doesn’t really help here. Generally right-wing/conservative/wannabe-gilead voters aggregate around the republican candidate. Libertarians get stupid but there are very few of them and they start off stupid.

      On the left? We have a LOT more infighting but the only viable candidates at the Presidential level (and most, but not all, states) are the Democrat.

      So what does ranked choice get us? Okay, everyone picks their favorite third party first. They all get eliminated. So who voted for the Democrat and who voted for the republican?

      It also becomes a question of what variation of ranked choice voting is used. Because, depending on the elimination model, you are just normalizing spoiler candidates.

      And… there is the very good argument that we already have ranked choice voting in a sense. Primaries. it happens less when there is an incumbent but everyone picks their absolute favorite candidate who most closely represents them. The majority of that then becomes the candidate we vote for come November.

      Nah, I think the real answer is to just get rid of the electorcal college at the presidential level and just do popular votes. We have the technology.


      I’ll also add on that there is a lot of theory (and even demonstrable-ish evidence) that you tend to consolidate around two-ish candidates even in the models that are fairly amenable to third parties. There are a LOT of question marks because this isn’t the kind of study you can really isolate, but even the third party heavy models (most parliamentary governments, for example) tend to have two dominating parties with a third or fourth that are “just strong enough to get concessions”.

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        We all know you only want far right neolibs to be president, you don’t have to try to be sly about your conservatism :3

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        Reforming the electoral college is definitely needed as well, but a much longer runway since it likely requires a constitutional amendment. You can implement RCV without forgoing electoral college reform or abolition. No single change will fix it all, but RCV is beneficial in moving towards democracy and has a lot of momentum already.

        I think after people learn and get used to RCV (and when older generations die), their voting styles will change. No more voting solely out of fear. It also requires the major (wealthy) candidates to align more to the smaller (less wealthy) candidates. There’s really no reason to be against it. In some states they offer both styles of ballots so you can just vote for one person if you’d like. The only downside is that it can be confusing to new people.

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          None of that addresses the points I made outside of a nebulous “wouldn’t it be great if all the boomers died” which… no arguments.

          Again, it all depends on what criteria are used to handle the rankings. Because a LOT of models will inherently favor the “side” that can rally behind a single candidate. Which is what we see under a lot of parliamentary models.

          I am ALL for election reform. But “it can’t hurt” is not a reason to enact a heavy change. Especially when… it CAN hurt and discriminate against different demographics.

          As for “the only downside is that it can be confusing to new people”: You should HANG with my buddy CHAD. Still hurting from that debacle.

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            Wasn’t trying to address your points because they’re just speculation. We’ve never had RCV nationwide for federal elections so can’t say how it would affect the way people vote. I don’t think the 2 party ruling system goes away with RCV, but it’s a step towards making politics more equitable. There are only benefits to giving voters more options. It’s not that “it can’t hurt”. It’s that it will benefit voters.

            How does RCV discriminate? Which demographics?

            Any voting system is prone to errors and any change will have growing pains. Doesn’t mean you don’t move forward. People need a way to vote for who they want, not who they don’t want. RCV is one solution. Doesn’t impede on any others.

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              If we “can’t say how it would affect the way people vote” then what is the point? There are a lot of different voting systems and if you are going to put the effort in to cause a mass upheaval… you need to have a reason. Like I said, I very much favor just getting rid of the electoral college as a good solution because it is the same procedure we currently have but now it means EVERY vote matters at every level (rather than just at every level except POTUS…)

              And, again, we can just look at the current election. Basically every republican is fine with trumpian politics and refuse to even acknowledge they would vote against the orange fuckstain when they are “condemning” his behavior. Whereas the left? We can’t stop shitting on Biden. That translates to third party spoilers. Which is kind of the underlying issue of why we see right wing fascism on the rise globally. Because it is a lot easier to rally behind “We all hate this demographic” rather than “Well, I want UBI” “No, I want health care” “Fuck you all, the biggest issue we have is foreign policy”.

              Any voting system is prone to errors and any change will have growing pains. Doesn’t mean you don’t move forward. People need a way to vote for who they want, not who they don’t want. RCV is one solution. Doesn’t impede on any others.

              Moving forward is something you do with thought. Rather than “Well, I’m bored. Let’s redo everything because it might be better”.

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                To assume that all of the progress people are making towards RCV is without thought is incredibly ignorant. Lots of resources you can research to understand the benefits, how it works, and case studies for where it’s working now.

                https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting-information/#the-impacts-of-rcv

                https://fairvote.org/news-and-analysis/#blog

                If you don’t support RCV for some reason, just say that. You have to criticize those who are working towards something that’s actually benefiting voters.

                You can sit around and wait for electoral reform, but change happens in baby steps. You don’t just jump to a constitutional amendment if nobody can get behind something like RCV.

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                  Yeah. This happens with basically every “political movement”. You have some people who actually have put the thought in. And then you have hordes of people who can’t even explain simple things like “how does this not just embolden spoilers” or how does this meaningfully solve the two party problem" (a problem which, again, is prevalent even in more praised election systems).

                  Let alone “Oh, the only problem is people might get a bit confused”

                  People just see “oh, it is different so it must be better” and ignore all other aspects of it. It is what led to the rise of libertarianism in the 90s and tankie dumbasses in the 10s.

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        Of course it helps. Sure, the first election wouldn’t see much change, but RCV emboldens third parties to exist and would give them a viable path towards displacing the establishment. Right now there is NO path.

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    “People voting for watching paint dry instead of poking sticks in their eyes appear to be mostly motivated by avoiding sticks…in their eyes.”

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    If Biden loses, which i think he will, i hope the Dems take it as a reflection opportunity and actually field someone who people like in 2028.

    if there is an election in 2028

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      I want to hope along with you but if they didn’t reflect on themselves after '16 you can bet you bottom dollar they either never will or they have a different idea of what success looks like than what you or i can grok

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      Albert Einstein often gets misquoted as saying “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”

      What he actually said was “the definition of insanity is whatever the hell the DNC “leadership” is doing.”

      DNC Leadership

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      If Biden wins why would they change a working strategy in 2028? They can do it again! Or maybe they can field Hillary Clinton again. We all loved Hillary.

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      Yeah, instead of using polls to verify things, we should just go on our hunches for everything. Measuring things? Science? Pshaw I say, pshaw!

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        That is some ass-logic right there. 1st time I got to use my new phrase. Thanks bud.

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    Isn’t this the general sad state of democracy? Specially in America and it’s 2 party system?

    Rarely people get to vote for whom they want, they vote against the one they dislike/fear the most

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      It’s the sad state of democracy in all electorates that use demonstrably shitty voting systems like first past the post. Because those force you to vote strategically.

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      This is how democracy works in any Capitalist system where the bourgeoisie have an outsized influence on the state and the proletariat have an undersized influence.

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          A Socialist Republic would be better than a Capitalist Republic, yes. Human rights would be better represented if the profit motive was abolished and production was run democratically, rather than by competing warlords in Capitalism.

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      You can choose compromised cult dictator rapist or genocide profiteering this election.

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        Important to note that the cult dictator part is exclusive to one party, while the genocide is baked in to the entire system. Nobody who doesn’t support Israel will ever be a viable candidate in either party.

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        I’d say the main reason Trump doesn’t fall under the latter category currently is lack of opportunity. He’d absolutely try to profit - likely personally and from both sides - in the Israel/Palestine conflict.