• BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    27 days ago

    What happened on March 3rd? (Mass increase in active users)

    Oh man, and what happened on April 3rd? (Mass drop in average comments)

    Did I miss a meeting where we decided to just have massive shifts on the 3rd of every month? Is something big happening now, am I missing it?

  • SomeGuy69@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    27 days ago

    So many Mastodon server, crazy. The Lemmy experience is so much better than Mastodon, strange that this is the major draw. Is it because of Meta?

    • Deebster@programming.devEnglish
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      27 days ago

      I’d assumed it was servers running on renewable power, although I’m not sure how they measure that. I know some hosting companies and CDNs have that as an option, but I don’t see how you’d know if each server chose that option so I guess it’s more like “servers with green hosting companies”.

  • The Picard Maneuver@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    27 days ago

    I think it’s much less intimidating to new users now compared to when I joined last year. The barrier to entry has been reduced significantly.

    There are tons of active communities now, mobile apps that work great (this is a big one), and many more tools to block content that you don’t want to see.

    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      27 days ago

      there is also more diverse content than the crap that was on here six months ago.

      when 50% of the frontpage is linux memes… you’re not going to gain the interest of most new users. now it seems to be down to about 20%

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      24 days ago

      New user here…what? Easy to use? I’ve gotten to the point where I know how to do things, but, it’s still needlessly complicated. Yes there are many active communities, but there are also not very many of them. The ironic thing is, you need to be discussing mainstream topics on the non-mainstream platform. If I wanted to talk about my favorite band? Nobody is here to do that. And if I do find a niche community here, but it’s on another instance? NOW I know what to do. But when I first got here, I was ONLY subscribing to sublemmys on .world because it’s the only way I knew how.

      For this platform to grow, we’re going to have to make it easy. Like, braindead easy.

      Make it so you just click “join”. Make it so you’re logged in across ALL of Lemmy. Your posts may originate from Lemmy.World, but a non-techie wouldn’t know or care about any of that. I see Lemmy making a big deal about the seperate instances. Like it’s a selling point. It’s only a selling point for people smart enough to understand it.

      But imagine Britney. Now Britney is a fictional person I just made up to represent your bottom of the barrel intelligence level of people these days. Britney is just some pretty valley girl. She doesn’t know what RSS is. She’s never heard of Linux, despite having an android phone. Britney is who you cater the site to. Because Britney is America. She wants sublemmys about “The Voice” and “The Masked Singer”. She wants a sublemmy for Taylor Swift. I think you’re starting to get the type of person I’m talking about.

      You can still operate Lemmy almost exactly how it is now. Just make it so even if you know NONE of that stuff, you can still operate it freely. I will use MySpace as an example (for the brief 4 years it was the top social media). There was a default MySpace look. If all you did was sign up, and do nothing else, you still had a myspace account, and you could still customize it to an extent. It’s the basic profile everyone thinks of when you think of a myspace profile. The colors, the layout, the look. It was still usable. Then you had people using CSS and HTML and I think Javascript was available. Now suddenly you have 50 different profiles, all looking completely different. All functioning exactly the same, but you could go as deep or as shallow as you wanted.

      THATS what this site needs. Don’t take away the stuff for the techie people. Let them go nuts. Let them do crazy things with this platform. But also, to increase userbase, make it as shallow as possible unless the user changes things. America wants shallow and not challenging. America doesn’t want to think. Britney just wants a place to type “I LOVE TAYLOR! I LOVE TAYLOR! I LOVE TAYLOR!” over and over. You can keep her happy, and keep yourselves happy. And I’m somewhere in the middle. It needs to be a platform that conforms to the user. Because if the user needs to conform to the platform, they will not join that platform.

    • Got_Bent@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      27 days ago

      I still have no clue how instances work but whatever I’m doing has been working fine for nearly a year

      • Stovetop@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        From an end user perspective there’s not that much to think about, thankfully.

        Basically, it’s like having two websites that mirror each other’s content. You can sign up for Forum A and be able to read and write posts that users on Forum B can also see. People’s names are tagged with the name of the forum they are registered at, but otherwise everything you do and see happens on your own site of choice and there’s no difference where it comes from.

        If Forum A doesn’t like Forum C, but Forum B doesn’t mind, Forum A can choose to disconnect from Forum C and hide their users and posts, while Forum B can still see both. It only gets tricky when someone from Forum B makes a post that people from both Forums A and C are in, but all of the posts from C users are invisible to A users.

      • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        Most often I’ve seen instances use as super communities. Largely revolving around a bigger topic. KDE runs their own with their own subcommunities for instance. They are far from the only ones. Just the one I use the most and a came to mind first. Having your own instance slap server allows you far more control over your communities then just hosting on someone else’s server. But from an end user perspective very largely transparent. not even being noticeable oftentimes.

      • A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        It’s like how there’s loads of different email providers but they can all still email each other.

        Just like Gmail can send mail to Outlook and any other @EmailProvider.com, lemmy.world can populate it’s feed/comments from lemm.ee and any other @LemmyInstance.com

      • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
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        26 days ago

        I still have no clue how instances work but whatever I’m doing has been working fine for nearly a year

        You have a user account “Got_Bent”, on an instance (you can think of this as a “server”), lemmy.world. That’s your home instance. Thus, you are @Got_Bent@lemmy.world.

        You can view communities on that instance. This post, in fact, is on a community on the lemmy.world instance, !fediverse@lemmy.world.

        You can also view communities on any other other instances that lemmy.world is federated with (which is most of them). For example, !unitedkingdom@feddit.uk. By-and-large, you can use them the same way you can communities on your home instance.

        Reddit is pretty similar, just that with Reddit, there’s only one “instance”, Reddit.

        Instances might go down (so users with that instance as their home instance can’t log in and communities on that instance aren’t accessible. Some have certain rules about what users who use that instance as their home instance can do. Others have certain rules about what communities on their instance are allowed to do. For example, my home instance, lemmy.today, wants to avoid defederating with other instances (which means that people with that home instance can see all other content). Some instances, like beehaw.org, want to keep some content that might be objectionable to their users out, and will tend to defederate with other instances if they consider them to be problematic. Some instances allow hosting communities that have pornography (like lemmynsfw.com) and some do not (like sh.itjust.works). Same thing for communities dealing with religion or extreme political views, and so on.

        In general, it’s helpful to have a home instance in the same rough part of the world as you, as it’ll make things more-responsive.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    I’ll never stop complaining about Y axis that don’t start at zero.

    If that means the change isn’t noticable, then the change isn’t noticable.

    • Nougat@fedia.io
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      27 days ago

      I’ll never stop complaining about Y axis that don’t start at zero.

      If that means the change isn’t noticable, then the change isn’t noticable.

    • Windex007@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      27 days ago

      Yeah when I showed the cop the graph of my speed before getting in my car to be 67000mph (speed of the earth around the sun) to 67080mphwhen I was driving it he couldn’t see the difference so I didn’t get the ticket.

      Or sometimes choosing a common-sense reference makes sense.

      Which isn’t to say THIS one does, it doesn’t, but the absolutism of “it’s nerf or nothing” is a tad extreme.

      • aasatru@kbin.earth
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        27 days ago

        Well, it does make sense, doesn’t it?

        What we’re interested in is not the number of users, but the trends: whether the number is increasing or decreasing over time. Starting the axis at 0 would not be useful in this regard, as the trend would be almost completely obscured.

        • Windex007@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          27 days ago

          If the goal is to visualize growth trends, I don’t think raw user counts are the correct value to track on the Y-axis at all. That’s where my head was at when I said it doesn’t make sense. Abusing the Y-axis to try and coax data out in this case is just a symptom of having the wrong measure.

          Daily new users. Percent user growth.

          • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.clubEnglish
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            27 days ago

            There is visible growth in posts and comments, which is good. However, I’ve also started seeing spam posts.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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          27 days ago

          For something like that, you need a special graph, and I forget the name because no one uses it.

          Y axis is “percent growth” and the X axis isn’t at the bottom, it’s in the middle.

          Like, the only way I can describe it is a line graph because it technically is, but there’s some name done it.

          Capitalism doesn’t like it tho, because there’s “red numbers” and red numbers scare investors

  • The Soca Vault @lemmy.worldEnglish
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    27 days ago

    People have to be willing to give things a try, so I think it will definitely grow. I was never a Reddit user, I tried this on a whim, just to try and have conversations with different people. The one good thing is that there are many functional apps, and you will only see things you are interested in, and when you don’t, you down vote it.

    But ultimately it’s still the same echo chamber that all social media is, but without ads.

    • Deebster@programming.devEnglish
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      27 days ago

      Don’t downvote stuff just because you’re not interested in it! There’s no algorithm you’re training, you’re just being rude to people.

      Downvotes should be for worthless content and people being dicks.

      • jeffw@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        I run many small communities and it kills me when people from “all” downvote stuff.

        If you don’t care about the topic, block the community or skip the posts

        • The Soca Vault @lemmy.worldEnglish
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          27 days ago

          Correct. If you don’t like the content in the community, then why be there? Just join things that interest you, no need to be a 💩

      • The Soca Vault @lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        I agree - no algorithm - but if someone is posting 💩 then it’s 💩 they get. Hey if I post 💩 I would fully expect that. Lol

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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      27 days ago

      All social media, and irl too, has biases. As we do ofc - e.g. we linux Linux, especially Arch btw:-P - but it seems to me that the Fediverse is fundamentally different, b/c of the nature of consent.

      On Facebook, YouTube, Twitter/X, and Reddit now that it is acting more like the former, ThE aLgOrItHm makes choices for you, whereas here if you want to create an echo chamber, you have to put in a LOT of effort to ensure that you are never exposed to anything that you would disagree with.

      For one thing, you would have to subscribe to communities first, and those would have to have enough content to hold your interest, which means a continual search for more of such communities. Scrolling through the All feed would absolutely be prohibited if you wanted to make an echo chamber for yourself.

      Again, literally every social media platform has biases, but here those do not rise to the level of “echo chamber”, imho? I do concede that it is not entirely unlike one of those, and yet on the spectrum, aren’t we far less than most other common platforms?

      • The Soca Vault @lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        I think it’s really easy to make an echo chamber here, make a community and only follow said community? I enjoy Lemmy, because look,we are having legitimate conversations, but some posts I have come across - it’s like no conversation, just putting down an opposite point of view.

        Me personally, I do my best to try and avoid the political stuff, but even that is difficult at times.

        But yes, subscribe to the communities and if the content is there, great, if not, make some or help promote it.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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          27 days ago

          Okay so it is theoretically possible but is it plausible that this could be a common use-case?

          Anyway, you said “it’s still the same echo chamber that all social media is” - and that statement goes far beyond using the Fediverse as an echo chamber to say that it is that way for everyone (further implication: all the time). i.e. the most command-language interpretation of your words would be that they meant that that tiny little theoretical possibility is what this place is, therefore I wanted to point out that there is so much more to consider, e.g. there are other ways to use it.

    • Donut@leminal.spaceEnglish
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      27 days ago

      Lol I was thinking of this one when I saw the thread title. Still, I don’t see a way to filter those out

    • jeffw@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      27 days ago

      Activity seems to be up, not just users. It’s also active users, not just accounts

  • anon6789@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    27 days ago

    The increase in monthly is just mainly replacing users leaving as the active 6 month seems to be going down the same rate as active monthly is going up. Am I reading that correctly?

    Total users doesn’t concern me too badly, as I’m more happy to see daily post and comment counts going up. I feel activity needs to be our focus rather than headcount. A packed stadium is kinda pointless if nobody is on stage putting on the show! 😁

    • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      27 days ago

      The increase in monthly is just mainly replacing users leaving as the active 6 month seems to be going down the same rate as active monthly is going up. Am I reading that correctly?

      Yeah. But the active 6 month is a lagging indicator because it tracks users who became inactive 6 months ago. While the increase in monthly active users is tracking users joining right now. If the increase of monthly active users is sustained for a few months, it’ll reverse the 6 month trend as well.

      Totally agree that it’s ultimately about activity, but the reality is that we need more users to have more activity. I always took for granted the sheer scale of reddit until I joined Lemmy. It takes a massive number of people to sustain continuous 24/7 discussion about a wide variety of topics, which is ultimately what this kind of link aggregator/forum strives to do. And Lemmy users are already really active compared to redditors. There just aren’t enough of us yet.

      • anon6789@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        I try to put a lot of emphasis on encouraging new posters and commenters. I don’t get why you’d come to the “wild west” of social media to just be solely a lurker. You should want to be an explorer and a settler, forging that new frontier. I won’t hate on the lurkers, they will always be the majority, but why deal with the quirk, less ease of use, and less content to not want to help shape what it becomes?

        I came over intending to lurk, hence my crap username, but what I wanted wasn’t here, but I didnt want to crawl back to Reddit, so I started building, and it’s great. People are friendly, you have less competition for attention, and the userbase is largely supportive of whatever you do because you’re doing something.

        But ultimately, as long as we arent on an extended downswing, we’re doing well. I’ll keep making posts and giving positive feedback, so hopefully it keeps catching new people with the bug to interact.

        • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          27 days ago

          I genuinely do believe that we are starting to see some organic growth.

          I’ve been obsessed with Lemmy for the past year; I used to mostly lurk during my 10 year reddit career but everything changed over here, partially because I felt like my voice was really being heard.

          And I have noticed an increase in activity in the past month, with posts and comments receiving more upvotes and engagement. It sounds like you’ve also been making the most of your Lemmy experience, which is great.

          I sometimes try to spread the word about Lemmy on reddit and people are so toxic in the way that they deal with the smaller userbase and lesser activity. So many people that love to whine and complain, instead of realizing that Lemmy is an incredible opportunity/concept at an early/imperfect stage.

    • mesamune@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      27 days ago

      reddit is about the same in my opintion, but I do see a lot more activity on the lemmy side. I think its a combination of:

      1. Less rules around communities. The barrier of entry is much lower here to post, and things dont get auto-removed because of trigger happy mods.
      2. 2% of users post 90% of content. And a lot of them moved over to lemmy.
      3. Servers can be brought into existence and removed at will. This may seem like a bad thing, but what it means is that the best lemmy servers can evolve and be successful in a way reddit cant. Some have different modifications to make them more user friendly, some have excellent uptime, etc…etc…
      4. People from mastodon/misskey/other fediverse instances can comment/post. Even if that is not what a vast majority of us do, it does help the numbers and will continue to help engagement.

      Also to @Blaze@reddthat.com Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?

      • Blaze@reddthat.comOPEnglish
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        27 days ago

        Also to @Blaze@reddthat.com Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?

        Not sure about this unfortunately

    • can@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      27 days ago

      The cracked apps using personal API keys stopped working a few days ago. Already fixed now I think.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      27 days ago

      They have bots roaming the site, banning people, seemingly at random. I went from never having been banned on reddit on a 10 year account, to banned for 3 days twice, and then permanently banned all in the span of a month.

      And when did this happen? The week after the IPO went public.

      And what kind of messages got me banned? Well one of them was in /r/Cleveland where a guy posted a security camera picture of the guy who stole his bike. I made the comment that the theif looks like a guy who stole MY bike in the early 90s, and that maybe this was his son. Keeping it in the family business.

      I was banned for that comment for “Harassment and abuse of reddit users”. The action was performed by an AI bot. If I wanted an appeal I could appeal. So I did. It SAID the appeal was handled by a real human. They still sided with the bots decision, which tells me that it wasn’t handled by a real person.

      So now I’m here. Just don’t steal my bike, ok guys?

      • can@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        27 days ago

        I made the comment that the theif looks like a guy who stole MY bike in the early 90s, and that maybe this was his son. Keeping it in the family business.

        That’s hilarious. They don’t deserve you.

      • ConstipatedWatson@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        Hey dude, I’ve been looking for you for so long, since my Dad stole your bike and that was a turning point in my life, since I made a point of stealing your son’s bike.

        It is said that this will continue for generations until the seventh son of a seventh son, who’ll transform into an upside down toothless vampire who likes garlic.

        In order for this prophecy to come true, please ensure all your progeny keeps buying bikes.

        PS Welcome to Lemmy!

      • ripcord@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        27 days ago

        Just don’t steal my bike, ok guys?

        I won’t!

        …but what kind of bike and where is it, just so I know what I’m not stealing and where I should avoid stealing it from

        • can@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          27 days ago

          Have you heard of ReVanced? Most commonly known for patching youtube to allow more features, mainly adblocking. Well they have patches for a ton of apps now so if you have a reddit account and say you’re a developer you get your own API key they can be injected into some apps. It didn’t work for me for a while but I eventually got it to work for the random search result from reddit.

        • Remorhaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          27 days ago

          Not all of them, Dystopia for example was allowed to stay as is because of accessibility features that the native app lacks. It was even working just fine during the recent outage.

    • uhN0id@programming.devEnglish
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      27 days ago

      My friends seem to prefer tolerating the official Reddit app because “there is more on Reddit”. I’d rather have less for the time being and not lose my mind with that POS app not to mention fuck Reddit for what they did to 3rd party devs and users alike with that API change.

      I refused to install the Reddit app out of principle other than just to check it out one time out of morbid curiosity. Without the 3rd party app creators that made apps long before Reddit did, back when Reddit wouldn’t, Reddit probably wouldn’t be anywhere as big as they are today. They brought new users in that likely wouldn’t have used Reddit anywhere except on a mobile device and certainly not in a browser when even retail stores had their own apps.

      When my 3rd party app (Boost) officially stopped working the other day I officially stopped being a Reddit user in the process. Not doing another hacky workaround to make the app work again. Time to make Lemmy my new social/forum and ditch Reddit except for when I need to do a Google search because Reddit is still a great archive of knowledge.

      • Nightwatch Admin@feddit.nlEnglish
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        27 days ago

        You’re not wrong. I do have the app because the mobile site shits on my browser (I have anti tracking, cookie blocking, ad wiping defences), and there are a few niche communities I find important that stick around (and r/sysadmin, while not exactly niche, is really useful for me)

  • Lexam@lemmy.caEnglish
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    27 days ago

    I think more people are coming here for my comments and delusions of grandeur.

  • SeveralAnts@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    26 days ago

    I just found out Lemmy is blocking and removing users for having varied political opinions that don’t line up with their forceful left ideals. So I’m out. This was a waste of time.

    • set_secret@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      26 days ago

      This is true but I’ve found I’ve been blocked on world news for posting comments againts fascist ideas. I’ve been shadow banned from world news for posting comprehensive evidence of china’s crimes against humans aka their concentration camps. It wasn’t opinion i linked to studies, and it wasn’t inflammatory. My comments were removed and now i can’t like or comment.

      It’s really disturbing ngl.

      • radicalautonomy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        25 days ago

        Your situation is different from that of the person to whom you are replying. SeveralAnts is upset that eight copy-paste comments of theirs were removed by a mod from one comment section on !worldnews, each containing the exact same misinformation which implied that Mexican drug cartels had 37 presidential candidates assassinated in order to leave one lone candidate, a Jewish leftist scientist, as the cartels’ preferred candidate. This is a lie. While a few dozen Mexican politicians have been assassinated this election cycle, none of them were presidential candidates.

        What SeveralAnts is upset about is that their attempts at spreading lies in order to promote their anti-leftist agenda failed. To that, I say good fucking riddance. Go back to Twixxer.

      • SeveralAnts@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        26 days ago

        Thank you so much for commenting this. I thought I was going crazy. World News seems to be the culprit. It isn’t fair to the users to deny information. I think I’m going to leave, it is too disturbing. I don’t need this.

        • set_secret@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          26 days ago

          Yeah i just blocked that community, but really shit we have dickheads like this ruining lemmy with arbitrary censorship.

          • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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            26 days ago

            Really no different than Reddit in that regard. At least we don’t have people automatically banning you for having ever interacted with specific other communities yet, at least I don’t think we do yet.

            EDIT: Shit, somehow I forgot the don’t. Teach me not to proofread.

      • SeveralAnts@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        26 days ago

        Would it be much better do you think? I’ve heard others are worse, but I am not sure of them all. I can look into it. I just want people to be able to have open, civil conversations without being silenced by biased mods.

        • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          26 days ago

          If you have an issue with a given community, find or start an alternative one on another instance. If you have an issue with how your instance deals with anyone, sign up for a different instance.

          I urge you to consider this before giving up on Lemmy entirely, it’s kind of the beauty of the federated services.

          • meep_launcher@lemm.eeEnglish
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            26 days ago

            Agreed, there are lots of instances, and that may be one thing that allows Lemmy to actually have space for different political leanings. As I understand, conservative circles are not very large here, but that can change, and smaller communities generally are healthier. Check those out and recruit your pals- be the change you want to see in the world!

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      26 days ago

      Can you say where you got this idea? I see a lot of conservative opinions considering the entire idea behind this platform was conceived and executed by far-leftists.

      • radicalautonomy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        25 days ago

        SeveralAnts is upset that eight copy-paste comments of theirs were removed by a mod from one comment section on !worldnews, each containing the exact same misinformation which implied that Mexican drug cartels had 37 presidential candidates assassinated in order to leave one lone candidate, a Jewish leftist scientist, as the cartels’ preferred candidate. This is a lie. While a few dozen Mexican politicians have been assassinated this election cycle, none of them were presidential candidates.

        What SeveralAnts is upset about is that their attempts at spreading lies in order to promote their anti-leftist agenda failed. To that, I say to them good fucking riddance. Go back to Twixxer.