Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
Is this considered vegan meat?
Yes is it, as no animal is harmed:
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.”As vegan as it gets, I’d wager. You need to take an initial sample to cultivate the meat from, which obviously isn’t vegan, but to my knowledge, the rest doesn’t require any further samples
Can’t speak for this specific kit but in general: A big problem with lab grown meat and cell tissue culture is that to grow cells in vitro you usually need fetal calf serum. That’s a liquid from, well, cow abortions basically, that contains a plethora of different molecules like growth factors and mediators. As far as I know, there is no vegan alternative to this yet. We are talking about a liquid here whose composition is really complex, so it’s a really big task to create a plant based FCS alternative that performs just as well.
Tldr: probably the set contains a liquid made from cows.
What about this post has anything to do with vеgаnism BudgetBandit
Likely depends on what’s needed/used as feed
Man-made man-steaks beyond my comprehension
I’m not eating bugs, I’m not drinking water made from my own shit, I’m not going to live in a pod, I’m not eating “steak” made from my own body.
This is literally something in CardsAgainstHumanity
“Auto cannibalism…the new fad diet”
see guy posting right wing meme, check guy’s profile, weird instance, comments supporting mike pillow and claiming Ukraine somehow started the war with Russia. heehoo
Hate to break it to you, you’ve been drinking water made from something’s shit for as long as you’ve been alive.
it would both lose you weight and disprove perpetual energy people. plus, the more you eat the more you lose!
I’m kinda selling myself on it.
To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical. I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird, but not unethical.
To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical.
I think most people would actually consider factory farming unethical, they just put the blame on the producers for treating animals like shit. And the producers are locked into a race to the bottom for competitive prices, so they’d blame the customers/market conditions.
I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird,
I mean, it’s basically homemade spam. It’s kinda weird.
Shades of Wendy meat from Rudy Rucker’s “Ware” tetralogy
Of course it’s ethical, unless I’m seriously misunderstanding something you literally have to make the decision to buy it and then partake in it.
I guess you can use it unethically but by default intended usage it’s fine
What if you have cancer and don’t know it, and just accidentally happen to grow a tumour for dinner?
It’s not a toomah!
Then you have your starter meat and can start the age old tradition of passing it down from generation to generation so that they can keep making You Steaks forever.
“My great-great grandpa/ma sure is delicious!”
How do you know the cancer won’t make it tastier?
By what technicality this isn’t cannibalism?
Well it’s not actually available yet (and perhaps won’t ever be), so it’s more cantibalism.
I would call it auto-cannibalism. I think it is a form of cannibalism.
Incoming: nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
Meat is already produced without consent and much more violently then taking samples.
But how else will we know which neighbor tastes the best?
Wasn’t there a short story about this?
Imagine the network of Taylor Swift DNA trading.
And you know someone is going to fuck it.
What are the ethics of fucking a steak made from a non-consenting Taylor Swift’s tissue sample?
Unethical??
I’d agree that taking the sample is unethical, but if you’re growing the steak from a sample someone else got or fucking it the ethical lines get really blurry.
Idk, I don’t think they’re that blurry if we compare them to similar “conundrums” in other unethical circumstances.
Like, would you think the same of someone owning child porn? They don’t distribute it, they don’t film the children themselves, they just own the recordings. The law says they’re a criminal, but it seems like a similar ethical conundrum - no? (To be clear, I think eating meat sourced from someone who did not consent is wrong. I hope that says enough about how I feel about CP.)
How about owning the schematics for a ghost gun? You haven’t printed it, you haven’t distributed the schematic - you just own the schematic (and, for the purpose of the example, a 3d printer capable of printing the parts needed).
Seems like the answer is “it’s unethical”. Gonna need a third party to weigh in.
So I think it’s more like if u got a papermache piñata from some one that just so happened to be made of child porn and then u fucked that… Yeah seems unethical to me
The closest thing to this exact situation would be the HeLa immortal cell line and that situation is fuzzy as fuck.
HeLa immortal cell line
TIL, thanks!
You aren’t seeing the big picture here…hear me out:
TRUMP STEAKS, but the real deal this time!!!
I think these are the plots to at least two Cronenberg family films.
“Hey hon, get in here. I want you to try this”
Damn I just realized that guys will of course try to make dick meat
I would be worried about disease first, but if it’s your own cells maybe there’s less chance? Prions are terrifying
My second question would be taste
If there’s no disease and it tastes good then fuck yeah all in
Theoretically, if you don’t consume any of spine or nervous system, you should be good.
I can’t grow me a spine steak?
What even is the point then
Unless you already have prions from CJD you can’t catch Kuru by eating yourself. You have to actually eat someone who already has prions to catch it. Even then you have to eat nervous system tissue to be at a significant risk.
Those cannibals who got prions ate human brain.
I bet I taste delicious!
This is ethical despite it walking the line of taboo. It hurts no one, and if the tissue sample can be extracted at home without causing damage to the donor I see no issue with it.
Why not take the cells of farm animals and create steaks, etc?
It’s unethical because it’s gross and I personally don’t like it.
This guy understands the root of ethics
I mean it worked for gay sex!
Anyone who doesn’t like gay sex hasn’t tried it.
Meh, not everyone is good at sex no matter the proclivity
It’s ethical relativism y’all!
It’s not like they can check what kinds of cells you put in. No need to made this weird by cultivating human meat.
The kit likely is optimized for human muscle cells and might not perform as well with other human cells or muscle cells from another species or even not at all. The other question is where would you find livable cells from a cow or whatever that you wanted to cultivate. I doubt that your refrigerated steak has viable cells.
I don’t think the requiernments for mammalian muscles cells are that different from each other. It might be optimized for a specific animal, but I’m pretty sure it will still work in general or it would only take very small adjustments to make it work for a different mammal.
The other question is where would you find livable cells from a cow or whatever that you wanted to cultivate
Yeah, you’d need a live or very recently deceased cow. But it should be easy enough to obtain some samples before or during regular slaughter. And once this method is viable and widespread enough there will probably “biopsy cows” that just get pricked for cell samples all day.
But it should be easy enough to obtain some samples before or during regular slaughter.
It’s a DIY kit for layers to play around at home. I don’t know where I would obtain samples before or during regular slaughter for my 49,99€ kit from Amazon tbh
Ask a local farm or butchers shop for example.
But yeah, it’s probalby more of a toy and I doubt that growning your own steak at home will catch on. You need industrial scale meat cultivation if you want to compete with the current convinence and price of meat.
Ok that makes sense. I live very urbanized and unfortunately without books and talks my kid would probably grow up thinking meat grows in plastic packaging, so a local farm or butcher is rather out of reach. I’m probably also approaching this more from a laboratory perspective than necessary.
I also hope lab grown meat catches on, but we need a) a really good cell line to not always have to take fresh cell samples from living animals and b) a sustainable and plant based alternative to FCS. I think scaling it up wouldn’t even be such a huge problem eventually. What I am much more surprised by is that so many people have an ick with lab grown meat. How is this grosser than eating a dead animal or insects?
Fuck, I’ve always wanted to eat human meat anyway. I’d kill for a sample like this. I don’t care about morals here. I’m a vegetarian. I just want to know. If my buddy was like “ayy we’re eating Dan from accounting’s arm tonight” I’d be there with no questions asked. The police can sort it out.
I mean, if you’d kill for that you don’t need the kit.
I’d kill for a sample like this.
oh boy do I have something to tell you
You can eat placenta, if you really want to eat human.
Thats what im thinking- i rarely eat meat but how could i pass up ethical long pig? Im too curious
I don’t want to eat human meat, but I don’t mind if you kill that asshole from accounting.
Fun fact : Human meat is an excellent source of protein 🤓
Completely ethical why would it not be?
That’ like losing a finger and go: yeah, i’ll eat that.
Which I would classify as pretty weird, but not really unethical. Besides, I think the comparison doesn’t fully work - it’s more like, growing a lump on your body somewhere, having it removed, and saying “hey, can I eat that?”. Which I would also classify as weird, but not unethical.
A little gross too, but not unethical. Like eating boogers.
