Does that include dji clones? I have a look alike that has gps and full gymbal cam onboard but its aee not dji
This is a sales ban
Meaning, if you have it, you can do what you want other than (re)selling it?
Im not going to sell it because i use it to inspect my roof after a strong storm front coming over it
Yet another case showing how useful drones are.
You can even sell it on second hand market I believr. This is more of a “don’t inport it because you won’t be able to sell it” and is important to companies.
Right. Because after you buy it, it is your drone made by DJI and not DJI’s drone.
Guess some of the laws still have their premises correct.
I’m so glad they are focusing on the things we really need
If we had a real SCOTUS then both this and the TikTok ban would be dead on day one for clearly violating the prohibition on Bills of Attainder in the Constitution.
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I will say, had a chuckle when I saw these two posts in succession in your post feed
So to your own point, as long as there is at least one person with a credit card ready to go, probably no tipping point.
rich coming from the us house republicans who overwhelmingly all voted against the infrastructure act.
I used to not be political but seriously fuck these people
The class war continues, weather or not you fight back.
The US is so inept at manufacturing, yet wants to fight China. We can pretend to punish them, but 98% of all products bought and sold in the USA are “Made In China”.
Would be nice if there were some actual alternatives about the same price range and not using proprietary softwares…
Unfortunately anything open will cost extra, just because of the nature of it. Not to mention the colossal scale of how much product DJI ship, to cut costs somewhere
The reduction of monitoring is worth it. DJI calls home with your location and even provides tools for police to view the location of drones and drone operators in real time.
Oh no, not the location data that has to be shared publicly for safety reasons anyways! God forbid!
I am confused then what is Congress’ problem here?
Aint this where they are taking us anyway? Or they are worried commie police also getting the same info?
https://www.theverge.com/22985101/dji-aeroscope-ukraine-russia-drone-tracking
Something that stuck out to me:
The AeroScope signals are not encrypted, despite what we wrote in a previous version of this post — even though DJI and an independent source both told us they were encrypted, and DJI insisted they were when we did a fact-check, DJI now admits that they aren’t encrypted at all. So they could be picked up by other kinds of receivers.
So the verge just took a foreign for profit company at their word, and called it “fact checking”???
Modern investigative journalism everybody!
DJI and an independent source both told us
And who is this independant source? How did they get their info? Did that independant source ALSO just call DJI?
I am confused then what is Congress’ problem here?
The data is also available to DJI, and through them the CCP.
So they’ll be able to see that I recorded some footage of some boats near San Francisco?
This could be a severe national security problem if the drones sent back the video to DJI as well, then a foreign power would get geotagged high detail video of areas of the part of SF you flew over, VERY useful to a foreign intelligence service.
And I am not just talking about your drone and your flight, all other people who own and fly drones in the area would also supply data to sutch a system.
I am not saying that this is what they are doing, but please remember that the Brittish government asked the public to send in their holliday photos of the coast of France to help them plan the D-Day invasions. This kind of information is useful.
How realistic is this though?
I thought most people slap a GoPro on their drone (admittedly know very little about the hobby) and how would China secretly be transmitting so much data (4k video) without anyone noticing?
Plus if they want surveillance video, they can just have someone fly their own drone here and capture exactly what they want without having to wade through tons of junk that isn’t important to them.
They definitely do not send video though. That would be super obvious.
If they wanted to, they could just send a few Chinese “tourists” over with their DJI (or American) drones and record specific footage instead of metadata about general footage. Or use their satellites. It’s not the 1940s any more.
When I fly my drone it’s not connected to WiFi, and doesn’t even need to be connected to my phone. What network are they sending gigabytes and gigabytes of video data over when I’m recording people fishing on a lake in the middle of nowhere?
At least that was consentual. The UK government basically said "Hey guys, the nazis are bad. So help us plan an attack by sending us your family vacation photos of some beaches on Frances beaches.
And everyone was like “yeah, alright. That sounds good”
China is basically like “lets set up spying EVERYWHERE! Even in countries we don’t have claim to.”
I have to inform you that that US has some of the best spy satellite networks on the planet.
People shocked that other countries play the spook game too is amazing.
Cold war politics is more important than the surveillance state.
I’m with you there. I opt into OSS and open hardware whenever possible
Every drone does that, since RemoteID got implemented.
Literally all of the alternatives are open and much more capable for it. You can go buy a pixhawk and basically any frame and have something much more powerful for much less money, you just have to be willing to bolt two or three parts together.
Drone maker DJI is based in China and controls over 70% of the world’s drone market share, a combination that threatens U.S. lawmakers. As we first reported in April, 6% of DJI stock lies in the hands of Chinese state-owned businesses, which has led to fears of Chinese government backdoors, national security risks, and other fears of Chinese surveillance using the company’s drones.
Elise Stefanik, the Republican representative from New York who sponsors the anti-DJI legislation, said of the drones, “DJI presents an unacceptable national security risk, and it is past time that drones made by Communist China are removed from America.” Of course, this unacceptable risk h
On one hand, the CCP fucking sucks. On the other hand, the US alternatives to some of these banned / tariffed Chinese products also really suck - especially when it comes to bang for your buck. ugh.
On the other hand, with more money going to the US alternatives, there’s more potential for a US company to step into that niche once it’s open.
Not that it’ll necessarily happen obviously, but it does make it a bit easier at least.
Also, I feel like I should add the disclaimer of “I’m not American.” I wish I could show my country next to my username or something lol.
That only works if you have competition. We don’t really have free markets. The consolidation is so extreme that auto makers for example really don’t care if consumers want a high value budget EV. Why should they? They can make you collectively buy something else when you need a car to get to work.
I wish I could show my country next to my username or something lol.
You could use a vanity username with a flag emoji in it, if you really wanted to.
Not sure if I’m able to change my username (and too lazy to check right now), but that’s honestly not a bad plan.
You can’t change the username, but you can change the display name.
I have yet to see that happen. If anything they’ll just raise their prices because they no longer have any competitors.
Just wait until Putin gives up violent expansion, Ukraine will have some really good drone designs.
You could register to your local Lemmy server, if there is one.
sh.itjust.works is Canadian last I checked, though it isn’t readily apparent.
And there are plenty of non-Canadians on it too, like me from America. It’s a pretty big instance, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more non-Canadians than Canadians.
Oh absolutely, I just meant to say that technically I am on a “local instance”.
I thought the technical Canadian based instance was Lemmy.ca even if yours is also Canadian lol
Problem is that, especially with the automakers, is that a lack of competition becomes an excuse to not invest in innovation. For example, General Motors is throwing billions into stock buy-backs, when they probably should be throwing that into EVs.
Yeah, that’s the stuff that makes this difficult. I can talk all day about what “makes sense”, but you throw one corporate executive into the mix and everything falls apart.
Competition doesn’t really exist anymore. Instead, via regulatory capture, the big players simply change the rules to exclude competition.
Yeah they aren’t going to invest in their product. They don’t have any reason to now. They’re now the best product you can buy and they raised the price to reflect that.
That’s because, on one hand, the United States fucking suck. And on the other hand, if America produces anything well, you probably can’t afford it.
Honestly, if there was american branded stuff I would prefer it to made in China stuff. I want to stimulate our own economy not China. For example: computer stuff, small microprocessor stuff like arduinos, circuitry components, rubiks cubes, audio stuff. All of those are dominantly Chinese, if I want to find good American stuff I can’t. Someone needs to take the fucking risk and do it.
Software problems require software solutions.
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Thank you friend. I like flying my drone to help me with a lot of anxiety and stress I have I fucking broke my arm eating shit on my bike I can’t do too much physical shit but flying drones I can do it has kept me sane I swear to God almighty I used to be a “fuck politics” blah blah person but I can’t take this anymore
Paid and not foss :/
Paid is minor inconvenience, not foss is major problem
This is true I agree but it’s a chance at least… something always > nothing.
😂
Freedumb!
Require licensing, registration, live gps tracking, and geofencing with a proprietary app because Freedumb people ruled that’s what the free market needs.
They then rule, nah. Actually just ban em all.
And now even if you bought them, buy them elsewhere, or just try to use them on a US device you won’t be able to. Selling them is illegal both from a company and on third party resale if it passes. Even police departments that are using them as spies and have the DJI alerting system installed all over town to track and log everybody in the sky, will need to get rid of it. But I doubt they will, of course it will be exempted for the pigs in blue.
If you can’t beat em, or even match their capabilities, ban em or implement 100%+ tarrifs. New American motto of the “free” market.
Meanwhile Ukraine: more drones for us
Ukraine isn’t really using DJIs as much (if any at all) as they are custom built FPV drones.
FPV drones are being used as kamikaze weapons. DJI drones are being used as spotters because they can hold position easily and zoom from far away.
Ah makes sense.
“The Chinese oligarchs are taking over!” - American oligarchs probably
I have a really old one sitting in the closet. Am I going to have to get rid of it if this passes?
No, this is only for new sales.
Thanks.
U.S. government simply hates its citizens.
